I'm good with rapport but I bore my targets.

I need to learn good attraction techniques to get those smiles.

Obviously I don't want to become a dancing monkey or funny guy by forcing the jokes so I will mix rapport with attraction.

okay attraction I know.

-dominating the frame verbally/physically.
-bullshit DHVs, but these don't always get a whole lot of emotion going.

I personally have problems with attraction too. However recently I think I've made some good progress because I've got more IOIs than usually. It just takes practise like anything else I guess. I don't know what kind of DHVs are you using but I prefer using stories that I know she would react to emotionally. Say she plays the violin, I tell her some funny story involving one. But this is all logical I have no problem with this. Frame handling can be difficult though. You have to know where to set those boundaries. Sometimes it's better to strike back, sometimes it's better to just ignore. All case dependent, in which you will improve by practise. Oh and one good advice which helped me a lot to make progress when I found it out. Don't start rapport until you have attraction. Just focus on attraction building right now. You might get more blow outs this way, but you will improve more. About the boring thing, well I don't know much about your life but if it is exciting and full of happenings then I don't think you'd bore them as you'd always have something interesting to share. If not then do something about it. You can not separate attractive lifestyle from attraction building. They're just way too attached. Hope I helped. Happy sarging!

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i used to have that problem too, great at building rapport, but no attraction. the most effective methods of building fast attraction is a mix positive and negative validation (push pull technique), negging, cold reading, assumptions, kino escalation. But it all depends on knowing your target first before deciding which techniques to use. for example it is not advisable to negatively validate a 6.5 or 7, you'll end up hurting or insulting them because they are more sensitive and do not have as big egos as girls of higher calibre. dont be afraid to take on some calculated risks. all of these techniques are tools to create amazing impact and build attraction. remember: chemistry is the by-product of attraction, not the other way round.

Hope that i helped. Happy gaming dude

"But it all depends on knowing your target first before"
I had to learn the hard way on this one. I negged this really cute shy girl HB8. and she was like "why"

me:you look flustered. (lifter brows, smile, wide open arms, walking big steps and shoudler hug off the side)
HB8:what is that?(shit test n stealing my frame)
me:the high temperature in that room drains every ones energy. look at the way people are coming out(took back the frame)

SECOND different HB7.5
here HB7.5 has like 15 pages of printed work in her hands at the library
me:i cannot believe they let people publish books in this library
hb: silence (total ignore)

this second one was delivered with in congruence. i should have touched her papers in her hands and made eye contact.


Of course i dont use DHVs with emotion and shit. i use DHVs to show qualify like being a creative, hard working person, friendly person. im going to add emotion to them from now on.

Does this depend on the target youre dealing with? like ignoring an super HB10 on most things she will not be insecure about it but ignoring some shy chick on something very short she said will hurt her more. Is this what you mean.
my mistake i dig into rapport immediately.

Im gonna bullshit my way in the rapport too to appear more interesting. but I do wish i could do more interesting stuff. I'll just make them up because it will help with maintaining the interest.

Great posts guys thanks a bunch.

I didn't say you can't. I just said tell her something that may interest her more because she could feel connected to it. I give a short example to make it clear...
(after opener and some shit...)

You: Do you have something you're passionate about?
HB: Actually I love playing valleyball.
You: That sounds cool. I remember a funny one there was this girl Jessica. She also played valleyball and was pretty awesome at it....(continue DHV story. don't keep it too long however)
Not really. I was talking basicly about conflicts and AMOG here. When you're in a group of people. And the AMOG starts messing with you. Sometimes you have to show that this behavious is unaccaptable and is non existant in your reality and stand up for yourself. Sometimes it's better to just don't give a shit about him. Really situation dependent. It would seem that ignoring is better but I experience that sometimes it doesn't give me the results I want. Especially when the AMOG had a very high social value in the group.

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Her saying what is that... is not a shit test imo

Please explain on what you are doing here..

I would suggest following mystery's rule of the 3 IOIs. 3 IOIs should be enough to know wether she is attracted to you or not and buying temperature is also important, she might give 3-4 IOIs but the next week she could be showing less interest so keep the attraction constant

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