So I'm trying to run game on a HB 8 who is a very good girl (church going and what not). So I have thrown some CF and Neg'd her a few times which is seeming to work, however I want to build more attraction since things seem to move slower with good girls (opposed to picking up at a bar). I plan on seeing her along with a group of other friends this weekend any ideas? Should I continue some CF and Negs, or should I try moving into comfort building?

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Own the situation, don't let the situation own you

Stop negging and show some signs you are interested in her. Get her talking and start comfort building. You typically just need a few negs in your first 15 minutes of interaction. Of course, body language use is just as powerful showing that you are disinterested. Afterwords, just move on to talking and building comfort, with kino escalation.

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Been around the world twice, Talked to everyone once...

With a good girl it will take longer than usual, and stop your initial negs but continue with your CF they love it. With them it much easier to fall into the LJBF but at the same time they do have to know that you are genuinely interested.

So it went ok on Saturday we spent some time together and I got to find out more about her. I think it will go slower since she has been hurt pretty badly in the past. I think she knows I'm into her but I'm not sure where to take it from here (hard to tell if she's attracted to me) . There is a party this weekend that she is going to be at; at a mutual friend's place so my plan is to go and be social to everyone and not give her too much attention at first...then as the night progresses talk to her and get a feel for things. Any advice?

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Own the situation, don't let the situation own you

Drop a neg in once in a while if she is losing interest. But CF will get you good game.

Good or bad girl she is a girl and has the same desires as any other female out there. I dated a church girl once and I can tell you she was one of the horniest girls I've ever met. No, we didn't have sex, and I am fairly certain she never will until she is married, but I can tell you everything else went with her. I probably could have pushed her for sex and she would have succumbed but I honestly respected her so I did not.

Hey how we all doing?

Whether she is good or bad it totally does not matter if you do it correct the time line is the same.The difference is the way you go about it>

Bad girl your going to have fun and do crazy things with.

Good girl your going to have fun with while having serious conversations on an intellectual level however you will inspire the passion to be a bad girl as she feels that your special. How you do this depends on the circumstances and you have not given enough detail but in any good person lies some bad and fantasies just like in anything evil there is always an ounce of good.

No excuses, stop negging or your just an asshole.

ChowforNow,

the--------------------------------------->Saint

"Whether or not you agree with his harsh, straight to the point mentality, truth be told, he’s the most active/ dedicated / motivating member on this board. He’s routinely getting newbies and current members out sarging, pushing them into sets, given them suggestions and advice, replying to posts more often then anyone else. (Come out Wednesdays and you’ll see what I mean). Also, I have not once heard him making excuses about not going out and pussying out. If anyone else can show me this, I will automatically promote you to any status that you want on this board. (including admin).

Now .. I (and others) .. have tried a more sugar coated / feel good approach to getting guys to come out. Truth be told, it hasn’t worked anywhere close as well. I'm dissappointed that with all the free resources, and the cool guys that we have offering free advice, so few people actually make use of it, go out consistantly, and get better with women, instead of dabbling and keyboard jockeying."

"How did it start?Well, I dont know.I just feel the craving.I see the flesh and it smells fresh.And it's just there for the taking."

"Looking at my own reflection When suddenly it changes Violently it changes Oh no there is no turning back now You've woken up the demon in me"

"Only see, somehow it always seems that I'm learnin' or something I can never be It dosen't matter to me, 'cause I will always be that pimp I see
in all my fantasies I don't know your fucking name.So what?
Let's.fuck"

"Scrutinize every word, memorize every line
I spit it once, refuel, reenergize, and rewind
I give sight to the blind, mind sight through the mind

Been there done that! DHV-ing is the better option...Negging is still important but far less when your going for a "good girl"

There are no good girls, only girls who dont express their sexuality openly. But these guys seem to be giving good little bits. I agree with the bodly language and DHV'ing ideas.

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I've made a promise I intend to keep.

Well I haven't spoken to her in a couple of weeks due to being out of town etc. So I saw her over the weekend at a party. She wasn't talking to me so I asked "Why are you being stuck up and not talking to me?" her reply was "I don't want to talk to you, you're mean to me" so my reply was "What no I'm not" and she was like "Seriously?!"

I think she might be hyper sensitive and took my negs the wrong way. I didn't get a chance to talk to her after that to see why she thinks I'm so mean to her. How do I reverse the asshole image I projected??

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Own the situation, don't let the situation own you

She's not hyper sensitive. You're blaming it on her, when you need to accept that you were miss calibrated and you didn't act properly, so now you can try to fix it, or move on and accept it as a mistake that you can learn and grow from.

You are responsible for every action you take, don't ever take the easy way out and blame it on the other person, because you always have the ability to read what they are feeling and base how you treat them upon that.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

I miscalibrated, I get that. The question was how do I fix it

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Own the situation, don't let the situation own you

Before I write anything down, I want to express my gratitude and appreciation for the PUA community as a group of helpful individuals who try to work together into allowing men feel an intimacy that they had previously not known. It empowers them. It elevates them. I understand the attraction of PUA as an AFC who sits frustrated and powerless when I am before an attractive woman.

However, I have always wondered whether PUA can be practiced ethically. One can view PUA as simply a set of techniques, or rather a lifestyle to get what one desires: women. But I feel that this interpretation of PUA severely depreciates its value.

I acknowledge that we all have our own reasons for getting into this community, but I believe that PUA was founded to encourage men to overcome their fears. In essence, I feel that people are getting the wrong message about PUA as being simply a way to fulfill their desires without delving more deeply into realizing that PUA is an art and has a beauty in itself.

I can't help but feel, picturing that "good" girl, that she is someone who should not be seen as another target but rather respected. Human beings, regardless of gender deserve our respect and to go and just treat her as a piece of meat is severely degrading not to her, but to yourself. I will not try to be some mPUA, nor will I try to go and disagree with what Rye Lee is saying. All I would like to comment on is that if this girl is indeed "good", then in order to understand her and to have her respond positively to you, you need to find some sort of connection. Try to appeal to her through your own nature honestly. Do the unthinkable. Be spontaneous, be free, be natural, be yourself but armed with the knowledge that PUA has given you. That is to me, the final stage of PUA. Not canned material, rehearsed thousands of times, but finally finding your own rhythm and flow to how you approach women. The final step is to weave your own pattern and to find the artist in the Pick up artist.

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"Veni, vidi, vici."
"I came, I saw, I conquered"
-Julius Caesar

That is the best thing I have ever read on here and sums up everything I truly believe about not treating women as meat. I really like this girl and want to be with her, the whole reason I got into the game was to be able to pick up quality girls that I could potentially spend my life with. I guess the final step is shedding the material and finding a true connection...(if I see her again)

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Own the situation, don't let the situation own you

Well put TK, that's truly what being a PUA is all about. Not the lines, not even picking up women, but becoming the best person you can be.

Slck, I'd say to you basically what TK has and that instead of using material on her, you need to make a connection, because that is how you attraction someone and that's what the material fakes achieving.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye