Amigos,

Help me on this, I wanna nail this woman, just because I have been working on PUA for 2 months and no F close. I aint no geek. Im in my mid 30's and before I got married and divorced I had f closed about 50 chicks, even though I had never any idea how that would happen (i could have fclosed tons more had I know about PUA material). Im also a sales guy, so in other words, Im not a uber-dork so i do have people skillz . So call me an advanced AFC.

Met Eastern European at small home party through mutual friend. Conversation lasted 20 minutes, was quite normal, some light teasing, spoke a bit about one of her interests, running.. at some point she got up from her chair to say goodbye to someone. When she sat back down, I impulsively told her she looked very athletic and she had a beautiful body (sort of a bad job at Breaking Rapport a la Adam AFC Lyons). Well, she kinda got a little nervous and asked me where I live etc, then we talked some more. Then she started dancing with other chicks, that was it.

Night ended, wave goodbye, no phone number, no time bridging, no hug, nothing.

Next day, I send her Facebook message, very dry "here is the movie I was telling you about". We go back and forth "heres another movie about running"....later message "coincidence, this movie playing this week at X festival" (coincidence was legit). So she said "i will go see it, dont suppose you wanna see it again..?...i said yes "i said so long ago." Checked times, agreed on time with her (still on Facebook) and then said I would buy tix but she could get dessert or coffee later". We will meet 15 minutes before movie. Which will give me about 30 minutes to game her (because of previews). I will not offer popcorn etc.

So, my 1st meetup at the party with her was neither long nor did it establish a long interaction nor much comfort or attraction from me (except the body comment?)

How I you greet her?

Slower than normal kiss on cheek?

Tight or closer hug?

Hug plus unexpected hand kiss? (hand kiss yes can be DLV but can also be very immediate way to send sexual mssg no?)

What frame or attitude? Dettached? Energetic? Grab her hand right away as we walk in?

Before movie, too soon to throw in sexual pr flirt escalators? I guess not if the flow in the convo...but what if the conversation becomes normal/fun....do I just force my IOIs?

After movie do something else, yes I know

How do I convince her to go to her place if she has to work early next day?

In my pre PUA days, my date mistakes were often to be somewhat charming but terrible at /kino'ingsexualizing date. As I have tried to get better at this, I still suck at it because I dont know how to measure it.

Help me make it happen!

Reflex

You are over thinking it Refelex. Don't try and find a PUA 'tactic' that will fit this scenario because you will drive yourself bonkers. You are a sales guy, use your instincts. Sales guys are naturally good with women. Your 50 f closes are proof of that. Sales guys are dangerous out in the PUA field. Go with your gut!

Keep your cool and don't act nervous or tense. Women will pick up on this and it will through everything off. If you are calm and relaxed, it will put her in the same mindset. And we all know the kind of fun we can have when a girl is relaxed and comfortable.

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Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions. - Robert Greene

Thanks man I appreciate the positive input. But.....

You gotta understand, maybe I have some ability, but it has cost me huge misery in the past all the chicks I didnt open, kissed or banged. Trust me. If I was that good, I would not be learning this stuff. Dont let the sales aspect deceive you. Yes it helps somewhat, but its not the same as closing on chicks.

I can be relaxed but being too chill can short circuit being fun and my improv and creativity when I come in more high energy.

BTW, on D2, is it acceptable or not to tell chick upon greeting a compliment on how they look?

I see your point, but personally I think you need to get out of your head. But, that's just my 2 cents.

I do not offer compliments until they have earned it. It could happen on the first date, or 2 weeks later. If a woman does something courteous, I reward her with a nice compliment. Or if she initiates kino, I may compliment on how nice she smells. She has to work for it.

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Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions. - Robert Greene

So you're basically saying: "just be yourself". If that was so right, what is the point of learning all this if all you need to do is just chillax and go with the flow?

as i understand this, first you need to know and learn stuff and try it out before you become a natural. Because if we were born naturals (to the extent we want) we wouldn't be trying to learn how to pick up more women now would we?

I don't think thinking about what you're gonna do is bad. But I agree that it's very bad if you somehow communicate the fact that you overthought it subconsciously but he has to prevent it by himself. You could still give him a piece of advice on what when to do tho (I would but i'm a noob)

There are two things you need to be great at pick up:
- social skills
- seductive skills

You've got the social skills already as you mentioned from being in sales. I think you're right, you need to work more on being seductive/sexual.

You seem to fear being rejected from being too sexual, that's what is holding you back (you seem worried about her reaction from telling her she has a beautiful body). You just need to get over it, I don't know what to say about that other than if you never escalate or take it sexual you won't get laid. She's not gonna do it for you. If you wait too long to escalate you'll also be put in the friend zone, or maybe she'll see you as nice guy boyfriend material and make you keep taking her on dates while not having sex with you.

When you meet her treat her as if she's already your girlfriend and like you're definately shagging her that night. Hug her, kiss her, hold her hand etc. and just act like it's normal. Don't act bothered if she resists you (say if she doesn't take your hand), just ignore it and try again later on. Forget IOIs, the only IOI you need is that she's still standing next to you and isn't trying to leave. When you talk to her have more of a sexual vibe than a friendly one, get close to her and eye fuck her.

Later on just mention that you're hungry, and go get something to eat. You need a place to go eat it, so just offer to take her to yours or ask if you could eat it at hers. Before you do that mention you also have work in the morning. Then once you're there, same again - sit close, escalate and close. Then you can both pretend "it just happened".

pretty darn good post Adam, thank you. Gotta work on my sex esc. You are right, I have fear of sex esc rejection.

Well, did go to movies last week. I think I did good overall, no K close etc, but there was no hanging out after movies as she "works at 7am". Again, this movie "date" happened more by accident than me planning it (on Facebook).
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My greeting was pretty kinoish and short as I had to go get the tix and it was getting close to showtime.

I will tell you that once inside the movie, I "discovered" some stealth kino (in case you dont feel ready to grab her yet directly). Basically you lean over to say whatever you want about the movie, and you stick your head really close to hers, basically like if you are gonna kiss the neck. Did this several times, I could tell she like that.