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Ok So I am suppose to take this girl out Saturday night. Her birthday is Friday but I work so I can't take her out then. I've been talking to her for like a month now, but only 1-3 times a week and for like 5 mins each time I see her. I work at a local gym so it's kinda hard to run a solid routine because I have to help customers.

But I managed to get her email the first day I actually started talking to her. I am a film major and she is a up and coming model/actor. That day we talked for like 15mins. I got her number the next week as I walked her out to her car. I got widom teeth pulled the following week so I didnt get to see her but I texted her a little bit. She always took 30mins - 2 hours to reply. So I did the same.

To fast forward a bit, when I got back from getting my teeth pulled she came to workout and I was busy but she waited for me to finish (like 1 min). I took this as a compliance test since she could've come back to talk to me after her workout, but instead waited. Then we talked for a bit (I always tease her about her college shirt she wears. The college I like is their rivals). And yes I recently kinoed her last week I grabbed her arm and was talking about her muscles and she laughed. (she was comfortable)

And now to the present. She came in last Friday and I showed her this bracelet I've had that increases strength, flexibility, endurance, so on. I told her about it and put it on her. I let her workout with it and she said it didnt work so I teased her and she fake kicked me (kicked her foot in the air as if to kick me playfully). She ten said she had to go home for dinner and told her I had pasta for my dinner and she said it is one of her favs. Then she gave me a high five. She asked when I work again and then gave me that hand gesture that says "I got my eyes on you".

So today i sent her a sweet text in the morning, hours later she replied, i then teased her and she ended up replying ever minute after I sent a message. Then she came to workout at night during my shift we talked for a little bit befor eher workout cause I was busy. So I texted her while she workout teasing her about her shirt, then on her way out I asked her if she had anything going on this weekend, and she said it was her birthday, and she was suppose to drive out of town but didnt really want to. So I said lets hang out saturday night, and she said "lets do it" and gave me a high five. Then I was like since its ur b-day ill make it extra special, and she said "ok haha" as she left.

So what are some good first date ideas on her birthday? And whats a clever way to give her a birthday kiss? Should I even kiss her on the first date?

Thanks!

Let me tell you something, the most clever ways to get a kiss are the stupidest. If you "trick" a girl into kissing you, you'll never know whether she kissed you because she wanted to or because you tricked her. The best kiss is where you have your arms around her shoulders, she has hers around your hips hopefully, you gaze into her eyes, you DON'T talk AT ALL, and you bow your head to hers. Doesn't always work out like that. Tonight, I missed like all the mood and just rushed into it like a dumb virgin. The other night, my girl was sitting next to me in the car, there was a gap in conversation and the light just turned red so I looked over at her, pulled her head close without saying anything and kissed her. Pretty perfect. I'm totally just bragging, but I hope you see how simple it is and I hope you feel inspired to "keep it simple, stupid".

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31 and still figuring it out.

Great, where should I take her? I was thinking more of dinner and going to a bowling place that has bowling, billiards, and an arcade as well as a full bar. Any neat games similar to the 5 questions game i could play with her?

I usually take girls bowling and play pool after, and usually to a bar (all in the same place )

Yea, K.I.S.S is the best advice, but seeing as I love coming up with K-closes I'll give you one I've used in this place.

Go behind her and hit her cue as she's taking a shot, wait til she turns around and hits you (she will, they usually do anyway) and say "sorry" offer a hug, when she hugs you, pull back slightly after a sec, look her in the eyes and say "I'm trying so hard not to kiss you right now"

Triangle gazing may work in that situation aswell.

Hell, sit next to her at some point (not across, actually next to her) and run Mystery's "Kiss Gambit"

And remember to escalate Kino when you're with her.

If you need more info on that let me know.

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Thanks SCB. I told her yesterday(Tuesday) when I had asked her out for Saturday that I'd call her to finalize it. I texted her today a playful text but I didnt get a reply. I think its because she was on the road to go out of town (5 hour drive). And when I first started texting her(weeks ago) there was a point where I texted her and didnt get a reply. So I texted her the next day and did get a reply. SO should I call her tomorrow (thursday) or Friday (Her Bday) to finalize the date for Saturday? And If she doesnt pick up what should I say in the voicemail? Thanks!

Just call her today and say that we're going here at whatever time. Give her another call tomorrw and wish her happy birthday and that you can't wait to see her on saturday.

I personally don't leave voicecalls because if it comes up on her phone as a missed call, she'll probally just call or text back.

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Thanks SCB, I'll let you know how the call goes.

If anyone else has any tips, or comments on how you think this is going I would really appreciate them! Thanks!

So I just called her and left her a short voice message, basically said to call me back so I can wish her a happy birthday, and to talk about tomorrow night. (Since she said we'd hang out if she's in town) So we'll see if she calls back. Honestly I think she will whether she can or can't go out tomorrow night because I'm going to see her at the gym next week anyways, and it would be awkward for her to not call back and show up to see me at work. Right?

You're right - but leaving a voice message is pointless IMO. I never leave them - because I never check them myself. Texts are easier for people to check - so if it rings out, I hang up before the recorded message finishes, and just send a text.

Also when I get a text reply, I call right back, because I know she's at her phone now.

She will see missed calls, so maybe call 2 more times and then leave it. In your situation you'll have the next gym meeting to look forward to and read her vibe.

At the end of the day, it's just one weekend and not a big deal. Another weekend will roll around soon.

In my opinion, it is good to leave a phone message, just be sure its intriguing and cut off the story your telling her. That usually make them call

But thats just my personal opinion, otherwise i just leave it, and call her up some othertime, i dont call her, and then leave a txt right away.

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I texted her earlier today(2pm), here is what I said

"Hope you had an amazing bday. I know you've been busy so I'm making other plans for tonight. we can hang out another time, ill see u at the gym next week. take care."

I am just really confused as to why she wouldn't atleast respond to me. I know she's interested but idk what going on here. I'm thinking I'll just play this all off and try to build more comfort and attraction then ask her out later this week? I am so FRUSTRATED!!!!

Okay, you left a voicemail and you texted her. Your bases are covered for 3-7 days, leave her alone now, or lose the game. Who knows why she didn't respond. It fucking blows, it happened to me today, but you'll care less and less the more you have going on in your life I find, so don't take it too hard. Also, you didn't have solid plans, so she's not a total bitch for flaking on you; keep that in mind. Best case scenario, she'll get back to you with some pathetic excuse why she blew you off.

Otherwise you might have to text her again later, calling her out a bit. I never know exactly what to say when shit starts to fall apart and it starts looking like the girl is phasing me out. I text "Hey, are we not talking anymore?" That always gets a response, always gets an apology for being flaky or "busy", but that's about it. I don't know that that's ever got a girl to make plans with me. What are the next steps for the OP? I'm curious because I end up in this situation somewhat often.

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31 and still figuring it out.

Just lay back now, only thing to do without coming accross as needy, if you see her at the gym and act NORMAL like you are not bothered that she didn't respond, I usually just go up and say "hi" and talk like usual and tell her I may call her later that week to hang out or something.

The most important thing to do is not get obssessed, she flakes, she flakes, get over it quick and move on to the next one, remember 8/10 flake at the start til you get good at this. It sucks I know, but you will be better for it, I know I am, yea, I had a bad weekend where my mind literally just went blank (it's in the FR section on here) but I don't get many flakes now despite not even playing the numbers game that I used to, I got it down to 50% so far, working on 0% flakes .

Good Luck.

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Yeah from all the people I have asked(men and women). Next time i see her I will just be like "Hey whats up?!" And depending on what she says, ill say "Alright cool, see ya later". Not go in the usual convo we always have when I see her.

O and I saw her at the gym today. Not while I was working in the evening(the usual time she works out) but at around noon. She could have just come in early, but I think she is trying to avoid me. And when I saw her I went upstairs and I know she noticed me even though we never made eye contact. The only reason I didn't say anything is because one of my friends who is a girl said to wait until tomorrow to talk to her. So I'll wait and keep you posted and see if I can bring her back. Any thoughts guys? Thx