Ok so through a couple of friends I met this girl. We got along great and went out on a date she turned down many advances for kino example putting my arm on shoulder. Yet she continuously thanked me for such a great time and how she wanted me to go away with her for new years! Now I asked her out again and she couldn't so I asked when she is free and no response from her. I frooze her out for 2 weeks and argued with her on facebook on politics (risky but showed balls) after I won the argument I suggested a date and she said just say when. About a week later (today) I texted her telling I saw her twin at the bar we went to when we went out. She responslded back saying Haha and said you didn't invite me?? So I responded I did ask when youre free and youre twin may be more fun anyway:) once again im back to getting no response. Again hb7 and she is very booksmart ... how do I end up in this hole how do I get out?

She did text me back. She laughed at what I said and then suggested a time and place for monday night and said that maybe we can get the crew together which is one couple and like 1 or 2 more girls. She wants to go to a ruby tuesdays but i know bars where I know everyone will have more fun. Is it wrong if I suggest another location? Also kino will be difficult at a ruby tuesday

I apologize for continuously giving updates in new posts but I think what I did here was solid game and would like to get some analysis and could be a positive example for someone who gets friend zoned.


To give some more background when the following happened I did not even know what PUA was. We met through friends, had 1 double date, great convo hardly any kino. Then went on a one on one date very little kino again but great chemistry. Instantly, I had a feeling I was in the friend zone. I asked her out again too soon, paid for everything, drove, too chit chatty etc. I was wayyyy too available and appeared way too desperate. AFC all day long


So a week later she texted me asking to set up a date for the two of us and our mutual friends. I'm like no I can't appear too available and I had plans so I was like nope sounds fun but prior engagements.

Froze her out for like another 2 weeks then we had our political debate on facebook publicly on her wall. I know politics shouldn't come up if your trying to close but I needed to get my respect back. Not only did this say "I don't care if you're not attracted to me" but said "I don't even care if you agree or even like me. I am who I am." I put her in her place to the point where her last response was ouch. I put back "Drinks anytime soon???" Surprisly her response.. just say when

Proof girls hate to be constantly agreed with and a man who stands for something is attractive!

So to add on to what happened yesterday I grew a pair and said place XYZ has reggae night . I know you'll have a blast... sure enough she was excited about my suggestion and responded Yes! Where is that?

Now here is where I think I may have faltered but made a solid recovery. She asked me where it was, I told her then I told her I would pick her up. (In my case I need to make it clear I'm detached from the outcome) offering to pick her up makes it at least APPEAR that I am really excited about the date and putting her on a pedestal.

Here's what I did: I texted "wait considering we're both womans rights activists you're picking me up right?"

She responded later that night like haha whatttt but I want to drink. Then she said I dont care. if you prefer it I will pick u up

I didn't respond back, she went to sleep thinking that she was picking me up!

This morning I texted her back "LOL! I'm driving just had to throw some feminism into the mix. I will pick you up at time X"

her response, "haha you are great its not easy to read sarcasm through texts "

I'm the man I drive but it's almost like I gave her a shit test. I needed to show her that I'm not actually afraid to go there. I'm not one of your pals and you are not the only person with value here. I made her think a little

By the date tomorrow she knows that I have balls and am a good time. I at least feel like I gained respect making me more attractive so it's critical I escalate kino and go after what I want at least a K-close.

IMHO you had her at AFC, don't blow it by being a dick.

You were making forward progress before you started doing all this alpha ape stuff so don't go overboard and just end up looking like a butthole.

A real man pursues that which he desires without caving in to his fears and insecurities, he doesn't have to become some kind of ogre that he is not.

As long as you are being true to yourself and are not becoming a spineless pussy to supplicate to some chick and letting her walk all over you, you are fine with just being who you are and doing what you want.

If you are intentionally trying to be a dickhead you are going to come off looking like, well..a dickhead. If you let your insecurities make you try to act like some kind of he-man that you are not, you are going to look like a pathetic asshole.

If your core character is that you are a nice pleasant person it is perfectly OK to be that and people will like and appreciate you for that. Where AFCs run into trouble is when they supplicate to chicks and become spineless and let chicks walk all over them because they think that is what chicks want them to do. They are not being true to themselves and are not standing up for themselves or pursueing what they want. They are just handing over their balls to some chick hoping that the chick will like them.

I'm not saying you have done anything wrong or bad at all. Just pointing out that you were making forward progress before you started trying be all alpha. Don't blow it by intentionally being a pussy that you are not but at the same time don't blow it by trying to be some jerkwad that you are not.

Thanks man awesome advice.


Now look I'm in a HUGE shit test!!!!!


I told her to meet me at my apartment and I'll drive to the location. She reluctantly agreed and I played it offf

2 hours later she texted me "sighhhh too much for bringing shivalry back so I responded LOL what happened to it?

she obviously is upset about this... why?


Did I do the wrong thing? I mean meeting at my apartment is not that bad? And believe you me I will show her what chivalry is.

That's a bit confusing, can't you give more info on what was said before that?

Guess what? Mission accomplished.

Thought I was in the friend zone for the last month and I ended up getting a k-close plus a little more

Probably could got F-close if I played my cards better, made a few mistakes but overall a success and achieved my goal. Field report will be coming up shortly!