I have been using Gamblers Stealth Attraction and my game has grown by leaps and bounds from where it had been in the past. However I have a problem escalating things from being in a very close proximity when we are talking, to rolling in for the kclose.I have listened time and again from Gambler on how to do so, but when I do go for them, I chicken out and only kiss on the cheek/head. This has cost me multiple potentials relationships.I was very harshly rejected from a proper kclose some months back.I discontinued the methods used for that approach (Remember the "12 minute kiss close" by Ty of Seduce in Seconds? FAKE. That guy is a sack of shit Alas, I am less naive now.) I think I am just afraid of getting a harsh rejection no matter how smooth my escalation would be. Please help me.

Well to be honest, I never heard about the Gamblers Stealth Attraction. Most of the time I use Mystery's Method. And for kclose, try this one. If she is into you, but you really don't know if she want to kiss you, just ask: Do you want to kiss me?. Well she can say 3 things:
1. Yes.. wel kiss her then!
2. Hmm mayby,, you say: well lets find out.
3. no... then say: I didn't say you could. It just looked like you had something on your mind.

If she says no. and you reply to it with the sentence above, you don't look needy or something, and just continue the conversation. But you know that see don't want to kiss you.

good luck,
Lacuna

PS. sorry for my bad English

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Dude, you just have to feel it out. You already said not kissing has cost you, so what are you hesitant about? Loosing more relationship chances? Trust your instincts, if you are thinking if you should kiss her then you should, and she is most likely thinking the same thing. The great thing is with more experience the feeling it out gets easier. Just build attraction, raise the kino and start holding her body and face closer to yours. When she is comfortable with you being within kissing distance just go in slowly but without hesitation and you will be fine. And if she brushes away or makes excuses you know right away she's most likely not interested. (though be careful because some just truly don't like pda)

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I'm quite new to pua, but i started to feel, when it's time to k close, it's like reflex now.

How do you smoothly recover from a brush off or cheek turn? When do you roll back in after backing off? When do you execute a missed approach?

If she turns her cheek. You just kiss her cheek and say "Mmm, best kiss ever" Look her in the eyes afterwards and smile.

The most important: Don't ever be broken-hearted. Be cool about it. Like her to be receptive for your kiss is not important to you.
Talk some more to her, like nothing happened, and later on move in again for a kiss. Chances that she'll turn her cheek again are now minimal, because you really demonstrated high value.

That sounds like some solid advice! I'm going to add it to my game plan and see how it works. What if she verbally stops you? I always planned out saying Me:"What are YOU doing" Her:"It looked like you were going in for a kiss." Me:"Yeah you wish you were that lucky "

Verbally actually never happened to me. I don't think there is much time to stop you verbally. Because once you're going in, there is not pretty much she can do, to avoid the kiss. And turning away is the fastest most succesfull solution for her. And once she has the time to speak up, you're already kissing her cheek

But "I was taking a closer look at your eyes. Whats colour is that? Green?" would most possible be my line . But I never had the chance to try this one out. So I don't know if this is a solid one.

Well, tonight I tried a little escalation mission at a swing dance bar that I frequent. I ran into several problems: While I was dancing with the girl, I couldn't move my arm from her back to the back of her head, so there was no way that I could see to micro-escalate without breaking dance form. And I don't want to just lunge in. I could do it during a dip at the end of a song, but even then I only have maybe 3 seconds to roll in, and I don't see any way to really micro-escalate before that. It would be dance, dip, roll in for the kclose.

When I did get close enough, they either kept moving their head or not holding good eye contact, which I perceived as an IOD. Also, there were frequent lulls in the convo, and I didn't want to roll into a kclose during a lull. Even though I listened to and agree with Gambler's perspective that you haven't really gained anything until you escalate and you are rejecting the women and placing yourself in the friendzone, I still can't seem to escalate!!!

I'm going to try the same mission at a club, where escalation is expected and the dance structure is less rigid.

Do you think my escalation problems tonight were procedural, inner game related, or both?

Are these problems I am running into legitimate concerns or is it just limiting beliefs?

Any help with this would be great

Ever tried the DeAngelo method? Play with her hair a bit, and if she's receptive. Dive right in. It hasn't failed me yet. The Mystery Method way works extremely well too, girls will most often reply with 'maybe' or 'what makes you think that?' in an interested but sort of non-commital manner. At that point you go for it.

One of the best guys I ever knew with girls had no idea about pick up or 'game'... he just used to get any girl he wanted. When I sat down for a chat with him (to try and gain some valuable insights in to what he did) we got on to the subject of kissing girls, and he said this- "you've just gotta go for it... who cares if she rejects you.. just try it all the same". That is probably the best philosophy to have. He never cared what other people thought, he just went for it. Often girls have more respect for you if you make the move anyway, even if they turn you down.

Rant over. Good luck man!