So, I am new to this forum, but not new to the game and I just wanted to drop a little piece of knowledge as far as closing/getting #s. And the thing about this is that I learned the move from a chick who was picking me up years ago. The idea is to portray yourself as a little naive or innocent, and it has worked numerous times for me.

So as you are finishing up your conversation or routine or whatever you use, just throw this in at the very end: "I have never been really good at asking this, but would you like to hang out again pretty soon?"

I mean the main point is to convey to her that you are not a pro pua and make her believe the whole "I have never been really good at this..." part.

And just follow through after that line and ask for the phone number and you should be on top after that.

never say "im not really good at this" total afc and total DLV. Say soemething like, "This was a lot of fun, we should contuine this soon, how do you think we should go about doing this" or say you should give me your number. Be an Alpha!

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I agree with apollo. I despise ditsiness and insecurity.
If you want to be good at anything in life you have to be confident with yourself that you can be good at it.
To me the most essential PUA skill is confidence. You can have your lines and your routines but without being sure of yourself, perhaps even a little arrogant, you will never get far.
Never questions yourself, never put yourself down, it shows insecurity.
Hell, saying "Hey you, give me your number so I can add it to the long list of girls who want me in their pants" would be better than that!

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I'll call this the AFC number close. Being niave and innocent are two things I am never trying to convey to people I've just met. They are the opposite of alpha.

Talking like an AFC will get you AFC-like responses:

"I don't give my number out"
"Why don't you give me YOUR number and I'll call YOU"

or just general flaking when you do make the call.

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To this day, I have never failed with Mystery's time tested "What can we do to continue this conversation some other time?"

If anyone has used it and failed, they have either not build enough comfort, or didn't close at the right time.

Hmm... who knew I posted here?

But, I do agree that it will mostly not work. I suppose it could work with some girls (HB8s and lower, maybe a few silly HB9s). Some girls go for the innocent thing, though they normally prefer "macho". If this does work and you do number close, she will have an "inexperienced" image of you in her head... which doesn't help for day 2's.

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Haha. I meant BigB.
Why did I say Apollo?
Proably because you are always on my mind.

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Hahaha, miss you too Gia.

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Well, I appreciate the feedback gentlemen, constructive criticism only polishes your edge.

And I have never acted ditsy or insecure about anything. Everything I do in my life I do with an air of confidence and conviction, especially when I am using some tactical persuasion, and those two attitudes have never failed me in any situation. I have used this closer in the past and every time it has resulted in me getting my d*$% wet. Maybe it is just these girls from the southwest. They seem to go for it. (Chica eres muy bonita. Quiero su cuerpa.)

However, refering to the discussion at hand, why not just turn the tables and make her think that you are joking when you say that "you are not very good at this..."? Then she will think that you are criticizing or humbling yourself and that you actually are good at talking to women and getting numbers or closing or whatever desired outcome you are looking for. That will give you that edginess that women find attractive and maybe even a little DHV overall.