I met this HB8 at a mutual friends' party at a bar, went up and approached her cold.

Yesterday, we met up for a second time. Went to a mall and looked around an old CD shop. Then took her to a high rise building to check out the night view, started to escalate kino by slow dancing with her, playing thumb war etc. At one stage I ran my thumb along her cheekbone to make her face me, and she was following my lead. Probably should have just gone in for a kiss but I was too chicken sh*t.

When I drove her home, she clearly didn't wana get out of the car so we talked for another 2 hours. Again, I made no attempt to kiss her and didn't know how to phase shift. Pathetically enough I asked her if she wanted to kiss me just as she was leaving (half her body was already outside the car). She kinda answered awkwardly that she doesn't kiss on the first date.

I feel like a loser because I KNOW I could have kissed her. The attraction was there but by leaving it till last and making it awkward, I had stuffed it up. 12 hours is enough for comfort building right? Didn't help the girl doesn't drink a drop of alcohol.

So my question to you guys is.. how do I progress kino and phase shift, and take this to another level? Anyone got good advice on this?

I found this somewhere else on this forum.
It worked for me at a co-worker's b-day with two HBs practically at the same time.

http://www.directnaturalgame.com/Techni ... adder.html

DiCarlo Ladder is very important. Your answer is in steps 7 and 8. BUT you MUST follow the steps starting at 1 and smoothly work your way up, NEVER skipping anything unless she initiates it first.

And keep in mind that logistics is SO VERY important, and as the man you need to get good at this. You in a car's driver seat and her in the passenger seat is not the ideal kiss close situation. Way to much distance between you. Next time, now that you've experienced this, you'll want to be able to detect in advance the situation were the girl will want to spend 2 hours hanging alone with you, and arrange for a context more suited to a nice close, on a couch or something.

I think it is important never to try to kiss close at the end of a date. Because if you fail then it will be kinda awkward to leave it like that, try to kiss her during the date, if you would fail you have plenty of time to repair the mistake. Another advantage with this is that it is easier to choose the location of your kiss, a car is not ideal. If you do end up in a situation where you want to kiss her for the first time at the end of the date walk her up to her door, if you kiss her there you always have the option of trying to move things further.

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As nermob suggested, DiCarlo's escalation ladder is really helpful to gauge where you're at with a girl in terms of kino and where you need to get to for that kiss-close in order not to blow it.

As for what to do before the kiss, you can use Mystery's method of looking into each eye and at her mouth. Go in for the kiss, but pull away, raise sexual tension, leave her wondering if you're going to kiss her.

Is the line ' Would you like to kiss me?' Style's or Mystery's, can't quite recall. Anyhow, if she says 'yes' which is rare, go for it. If she says 'maybe' say ' Well, let's find out' and kiss her. If she says 'No', say 'Hey, I didn't say I wanted to, it just looked like you had something on your mind'. Take any rejection in your stride and move on, don't let it affect you. She knows where you want to go and she'll follow you if you maintain your direction.

Another technique I use a lot with girls, is to turn my face, point to my cheek and say 'Kiss goodbye'. Up until now, I've never ever had a girl refuse this, 100%, it gets you a kiss on the cheek, which is great to use if you're not sure she'll go for the kiss on the lips.

Oh, and one more line for the kiss can be 'What would you say after you kissed me'. She'd probably respond with 'I don't know'. Say 'Well let's find out then'. Try them out, let me know how it goes.