Okay, here's the deal.

I've recently started to hang out with this girl who I know for a fact likes me, we've hung out around 3 or 4 times. I don't have problems with confidence, social anxiety, keeping a conversation interesting or fun, or making a girl laugh. I consider myself a tribal leader, funny, charming and witty and reasonably handsome. Opening, DHV and creating attraction are not a problem. However, I fail hard on the close, specifically K closing and F closing.

Despite KNOWING that this girl is attracted to me (really fucking obvious IOIs all night: staring and smiling at me, legs crossed towards me, lots of Kino (hell I even had a play wrestle with her), trying to gain my respect by agreeing with my opinions, complimenting me on my aftershave etc.) I still CANNOT seal the deal. I choke. This "choking" stems from a fear of rejection that is much more severe then any rejection a girl could possibly show before I trying kissing them. I think "fuck, if I've got this wrong and she doesn't kiss back, game over". However I know that if I don't beat this I'll lose them anyway.

The last time I hung out with this girl I got all of the above IOIs. There were even a couple of times where I could SEE she wanted to kiss me (Left eye/right eye stare, head dipping), and I still couldn't do it, I'd make a joke or tease her instead. It never once got to the point where I though "shit she's loosing interest", but it still irritated the hell out of me.

In the end I walked her home (it was very late and I did not want her to walk on her own), I walked her a place where she would be safe, and instead of taking my time, and setting myself up for a K-close, what did I do? I stopped, gave her very hasty goodbye and a quick kiss on the cheek, and then walked home. Fucking pathetic. The worst part is that I could see as I went to peck her cheek that she WANTED to be kissed goodbye. This was the only part of the night that my confidence or "alpha maleness" faltered.

Despite this monumental cockup, I'm very confident that I've built enough rapport with this girl to warrant at least one more chance, as I said I know for a fact that she's into me.

I humbly entreat the pick up community to help me. I want to get this in the bag, and I want to beat my own stupid fears and get rid of what's holding me back once and for all.

Thank you for your time.

if she wants it so badly next time you hug have your face turned in and SHE will k-close you.

yeah hes right you can do that OR the more favored by me. the cave man approach, when using kino and getting close take control by being the alpha male and show her your in control. litterally when YOU feel the time is right DO IT without hesitation dont wait for the 80 degree 20 degree shit if she likes you, she will return the favor

happy hunting,

dsbubba

i think one of the best strategies is to go out gaming, and just make the challenge how many k-close u can get and how fast. after so many of these, you'll get so familiar with k-close that it'll just become automatic, so u don't even think about it and it's effortless. hope that helps

ok dude you might be over thinking it, use your gut instinct and follow that, also use kino before you close,
do not ever predict the outcome as negative, thats not alpha at all nor is it confident
if anything you got to understand you control the situation and its outcome, if you predict how its going to end its not pass or fail, its lets see if this is going to be fun or interesting

Thanks for all the advice guys, I'll keep it all in mind. Going out with her to Fabric in London tomorrow, she's going to be all kinds of wasted so I figure the K Close will have to wait for a more sober occasion. But next time.

Hey,

I hear you man, we've all been there. Most situations like these come from experience but here are several techniques that I have used that has given the results I wanted.

1. Mystery's k-close:
You: "Would you like to kiss me?"
HB: No
You: I never said you could. (make sure to smile otherwise she'll think you are a jackass).

or if she is hesitant and responds with either, "maybe", "i don't know", you reply with, "hmmm, let's find out."

And that's when you grab her face, lean in, and give a soft peck, that's it. Don't slobber, let her reciprocate. Then proceed to kiss close with you ending.

If they say "yes", well go in and do it. Some may reply with, "Yes but not here." Grab her hand and go somewhere more quiet, less people. Then plant it.

2. Begin kissing her cheeks and slowly move to her lips. (Make sure kino has been established, begin with a hug, with sexual intent, massing her back, moving confidently down to her hips with her arms around you and than it will happen).

3. You: Hey, do you know what an eskimo kiss is, no? (give her an eskimo kiss. Btw, an eskimo kiss is when you rub your nose with the girl back and forth from side to side, some may know it as a butterfly kiss).

Do it again 5 mins later, even use it as a reward and when you do, you drop a kiss, more of a peck. That takes down the barrier of already kissing so next time you she will have more comfort because the kiss happen. She will want more.


I usually go with technique 3 than proceed to technique 1. All effective, and there are many other ways you as a pua can become creative and k-close. But mystery's k-close is golden.

Good Luck.

-Mastermind

Greetings,

I've been in this situation quite a few times actually. There are two main reasons why I personally fail to close with certain women. Both stem from a fear of rejection, but slightly different depending on the situation. For example:

1- She's become too much of a 'friend' figure due to lack of kino escalations in comfort and the rapport is too sister/brother-like for a sexual attempt. In a situation like this, the fear of rejection is great because the subconsious thought regardless of her many IOIs is: "Shit, if I go for a kiss she's going to think I'm some pervert that was using her friendship to get laid. Her IOIs are probably vibing IOIs only, and do not convery real attraction."
At times, that may be accurate, but at other times, it's simply negative and limiting thinking that will get you nowhere.

2- She's not comfortable enough around me yet which makes my kiss close impossible without awkwardness. I was with a girl once who would -all of a sudden- start fumbling in her bag every time I gave the slightlest hint of a kiss...
In this case the subconsious thought is: "Shit she must not like me..Her IOIs are vibing IOIs...She's just being nice to me, but does not desire me as a man."

To solve any K-close problem, make sure that:

A-She's comfortable enough to kiss you.
B-You're calm and collected enough to do it.
C- She actually wants to (The Mystery K-close might be a good thing to use, but be aware of automatic split-second negative repsonses.)

You can actually kino escalate and build comfort at the same time using only one routine. It's called a massage. Learn how to give one
When people are touched sensually with sexual intent (and remember you have a reason to, you're just giving an innocent massage..), it releases certain chemicals in their brains which allow them to relax and let go. People as a general rule like to be touched, so take advantage of that.

First start off by mentioning that you've learned a new massage technique from a magazine article and then CASUALLY say "Come her, I'll show you".
Have them turn their back to you in a SEATED position and go from there.
After about 5 minutes of a good traditional massage around the shoulders, start moving up towards the neck (base of the hair area) and lower back (just above her backside). This creates teasing and anticipation.
Rub your palms against her back in a round motion so as to embrace her abdomen, and stop just as you're about to touch her breasts, and repeat.
Then slowly start running the TIPS of your fingers on her skin sensually. This will give her goosebumps and she will usually comment on how good it feels. When she is still in that moment, lean in and kiss her neck softly and then retreat to test for her reaction. If she likes this, gently twist her head with your hand and plant one on her lips.
If all goes well, you're in.

Field tested more than once