Starting with facts, then elaborating on how the girl LMR'ed me.

She sat in my bed, we had a few drinks and talked. I considered escalating by talking about sexual. She seemed ok with it, but I was getting bored and we had limited time, so I just started making out with her.

I became bored with that, and went to take off her bra & top. That's when she started saying No. It probably took me 15 to 30 minutes of her saying No and me persisting to get her all the way down to her panties. The back and forth of her saying no and me persisting was the most fun thing all night.

She even threatened to hit me at one point, and I said: "Oh yea, now we're talking, that sounds like fun". It was lighthearted. Eventually she said, I think I want to leave. So eventually I was like ok.

We got her stuff, talked a bit more and I walked her to her car. That was actually really fun too.

Now before you say, that sounds kind of rapey, well it wasn't. We were making out the whole time, she was on top occasionally, we took little breaks.

Also, I should point out, that the way I got her to agree to come over to my place, was the fact that I explicitly told her everything I wanted to do to her. So she knew what she was getting herself into.

How do I make sense of this LMR? I felt like my time was wasted.

I really feel, that there was nothing I messed up or did wrong during the night. I just failed to screen her properly.

She loved my jokes and told me per text that she was down for all the things I suggested, so I guess she just confused me.

Also I think she may have been looking for a sugar daddy. She works too hard, studies too much, helps her family / sister problems too much. Well I don't want someone I have to take care of.

Hit me with your advice guys.

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you can also try just getting naked before her, just start taking off your shit before she does, whip out your junk before she has to, if she has some sort of mini freak out just keep saying shit like, ''I always do this at home'', ''nothing you haven't seen before anyways'', ''I'm just getting comfortable'' and just take her hand while your making out and keep putting it on your dick

but for god sake, don't be pushy when a girl is saying no, for little excuses sure, but a no means no dude, doesn't matter if there other people in the other room, that's a great way to piss a girl off and never see her again

you gotta keep in mind girls can get preggos, so sleeping with a new guy can make them very anxious and nervous about allowing entry to a penis who has not been vaginally approved before, it's kind of like how alot of guys have AA or fear of rejection, it varies from girl to girl and how much she trusts you before hand, but some girls can really freak out about sex, even though they want it

IDK man, thats strange...something else going on. Ive had women all out stop me before but well before its only panties. Theres a tipping point where you know youre in. If I have her top off and my hands anywhere near her sugarbowl I just assume at that point to stop worrying and escalate. Any chance she was on the rag on was being shy about it? I would follow up with her and try again...but qualify her. Youre not the type of woman that leaves a guy with blue balls are you?

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My personal mantra:

"Every woman's a whore in the right situation"
"They're all selling it for something"
"She's sluttier than you think she is"

I knew we probably would only ever see each other again for those two hours in our life. She knew that too. That's why I told her per text, that there was only one reason why I wanted to get together. And that was to see how far we could go.

She is young and inexperienced and I think she accidentally led me on.

I guess it's all on me to screen more properly and set things up more properly. Thanks for all the LMR tactics to try to mix it up and save the situation if I fumble in the future.

It was also weird how we made out and she wasn't really getting turned on at all and I was getting bored. As if she was doing a 'job' and pulling weeds or something. I still think she was trying to scope me out as a possible sugar daddy chump.

that's a pretty risky style to play with, there's this interesting phenomenon called date rape, don't be one of those guys, if she will fuck you, she will fuck you, no reason why you can't make that happen on a d3 instead of a d2, or be a little more patient with her on the d2, seriously if you're getting lmr that is that heavy then something is up, more then half the girls I've even fucked didn't even give me lmr, and my girlfriend right now gave me some confusing as fuck lmr that ended on the d3 rather then the d2 (even thought I had her logistically where I wanted her on the d2)

how far are you willing to go before you stop just to ensure you get laid? how many times does she have to say no, before she realizes you won't listen?

it probably wasn't even that you didn't screen well, you had the logistics, had her alone, had her making out, chances are she just didn't trust you enough to allow you to put your dick in her yet and you are just not paying attention to her social cues because of a need to be nonreactive or something, there is non reactive, and then there is flirting with fire

Towards the end of it all, I flipped off one of the lights and she said: "Yea it is kind of bright in here." in other words she was ok with me continuing to escalate in the dark. And she said: "Wow you are really persistent". So even though there was a lot of playful resistance I wasn't worried about it one bit. Also the way I got her over to my place, was by telling her exactly what I had planned for the night. She agreed to come over. But it kind of got closer to the 'playing with fire' realm, because she apparently wasn't 100% down and didn't think through what would happen if I kept persisting and she changed her mind. My intentions were clear. I should have been more wise and stopped annoying her with my comedic persistence, but the fact that she had to say no and then say "I think I have to get going" was awkward for her.

The trust thing, I didn't factor in properly. I just went for it. She probably didn't think the whole thing through, decided to check it all out, and just wasn't interested. Well apparently I didn't convince her. We only had limited time, so I had to escalate and if she wanted to leave, she could, and she did.

I made it really clear in my invitation that if she came over, she wouldn't just be flirting with fire, but it was on and it would happen for certain. Bad strategy I guess.

Thanks for the caution. I can see it better from her perspective now.