Hey I am pretty new to this forum but not new with girls. However, I am not where I want to be. I'll open this question with this..

I am amazing with openings and mid-game. No doubt about it! I Have opened and had mid conversations with HB1-29 (dallas cowboy cheerlearders/musicians).

I can have a girl climb up a "latter of IOI's" ie small favors, pulling her in close and whispering things into her ear, touching her, having her touch me, and having her put her hand in my shirt, getting phone numbers etc etc..

I can easily make her laugh and I can make her lead the conversation so that I have to give little effort..

I am just absolutely HORRIBLE with closing the deal and making her "DTF"...

Here is more of my usual Thursday - Saturday situation:
When I go out to bars I start off with a 6-8 man or women circle which by 12am ends up being 16-22 deep.. The females get trapped in the circle which makes her extremely easy to play with. I have gotten females alone and talked to them but it just never seems to work when closing the deal.. I think I automatically get put into the friend zone.

In your opinion what can I do to break this "friend zone" cycle and close the deal.. What could I do that works for you after all of the IOI's..

And yes I do read the forums.. "Read more.. Talk less.."

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Let the games begin!

Next step....take her little hand, lead her away and ISOLATE!

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

kino is the best advice i can give u, hold her hand not like 1-5 sec touching, make up a stupid excuse and tell her give her arm to you, i go like
you walk too fast come here, i grab her arm put it in my arm, start walking.
iso, make her sit on your lap, etc,,, and your ned to kc, be sure your the one who pull it off first, and blame on her that she starting french already ?

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Kino and after you get you ''iois'' make her qualify herself to you. You can find out if a girl is attracted to you if she will qualify herslef to you then you can go in comfort and when you see the proper moment, kiss her (a tip on kissing, lean in and smell her neck, if she moves away she's not ready for k-close yet, if she doesnt move her head you can kiss her )

whenever you talk to her touch hands, elbows or shoulders slowly lean into her and talk to her ear, then lean back and stop touching.

By the way hands are better to touch but sometimes more difficult than the shoulder or elbows, but if you are able to grab the hands you can squeeze a little and feel if she squeezes too. You can also release the grip and see if she keeps it or not. There is no better way to say I like you than by squeezing the hands a little.

Dude I completely Get you. I can Open with ease, have good mid game, lead conv or make her lead conv.. In fact I can get her to qualify herself all the time.. but this days, dont know why, I've been acting extremely shy with K close... even with Kino...

I'm kinda shy with the kino and thats my biggest problem, cant create enough physycal comfort and escalate to K close..

It just takes practice men. And Balls.. I know I haven't had enough balls to just Give a fuck and kiss her.. Go caveman or whatever...

Balls man, something only you can grow, regardless of all the advice you can get.

My advice (which is what I plan to do tomorrow) just go caveman, finish drinks/lunch or whatever and, no matter what, just kiss her... I dont know if this is gonna make her run away, I honestly do not think so, but this is just to get me started, to scare anxiety away, and get the balls i need to keep progressing. If i let my pre k close anxiety get me, I wont make any further progress dude.. Neither will you.

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".. I will learn all that I've forgotten, I will succeed where I'd previously failed, and even if I don't I wont stop, cuz this is not just about girls, this is about Life "

I don't promote anyone's info, but maybe this will lead to some incite, Thank's to Captain Jack:

http://puajackharkness.wordpress.com/

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.