SO i've known this HB for ages, and we had a thing a while ago, but it was nothing serious. I'm starting to want something that is more serious and out of the blue she started to text me. Conversation has been flowing for about a day now, but haven't been able to secure a day 2 yet due to a lot of university exams from both of us.

Tonight she text me while she was out. This is the conversation:

Her-Are you out tonight?
Me-No, i'm jamming with mates tongiht, you?
Her, im in 90s in the penthouse
Me-fair enough is it good?
*conversation goes on for about 10minutes (its bbm, so chat is instant and more like chatting than texting) She keeps dropping IOIs saying she was just thinking about me, song reminded her of me, there are only ugly people here... etc.etc.etc.
eventually
Me-I think you should take that as a sign and head over.
Her-*kind of ignored the question, but carried on about what she was saying, she kept conversation going*
Me-Are you having a good time?
Her-Yeah its ok, just the people
Me-Oh ok, so what time are you heading over then?
Her-Bit presumptious.

And now i dont know what to say? any help would be much appreciated.


Also any general comments about my phone game i would love to hear, good, bad and ugly.

**UPDATE**
She replied with 'i don't think i should'

I feel i am close to a close here, but don't quite know a finishing move

im not sure how close you are as shes controlling the frame and leading the interaction. I would work on getting her off her storyline and enticing her over to your zone for a rendezvous.

Guess it either crashed and burned or he is in her bed right now

If so, field report please. Not that I'm asking you to kiss and tell but if it worked out, would be good to know.

UPDATE
She didn't reply for a while, and as i wasn't out i was not going to wait around for her. I woke to a text today from about 2.30am saying 'hey, are you still up?'

I replied this morning saying 'I'm sorry you missed the boat, i was asleep. How was your night?'

Conversation went on and i'm meeting up with her for drinks and then meeting mates for a night out.

Overall it could have gone a hell of a lot better, and i don't think i handled it at all well, but having been given a second chance it'll go better (i hope).

Cheers for the help.


Also, i'm hearing a lot about frame control, and i don't really understand what that entails? if anyone could explain it, or point me to a book, etc, then i would be grateful.

thats a pretty positive result

dude, you are letting HER control the situation. "you missed the boat"? i would not let her talk that way to me, if i was you. don't insult her or whatever, but show her you are better than that in a playful, funny, but clear way. no, SHE MISSED THE BOAT

so, what's the outcome?

Frame control (maintaining an attractive frame) is what all naturals do normally, and what AFCs need to understand if they are to reach PUA. Its the controlling of the meaning of the interaction you have with people.

So with woman specifically we want to frame interactions ON OUR TERMS. We are not reactive to their mindset if it doesn't jive with our desired outcome. So it means being internally consistent with our goals.

Example: we engage a chick in conversation a good frame for us to have is "Im checking out this chick to see if shes fun and cool, and if she meets my prerequisites Ill ask for her number

AFC Frame: "Ill talk to this chick and hope she will find me worthy enough for a date, ill attempt to impress her"

there are tons of these frames afcs have and PUAS have, you need to adapt PUA frames to have PUA outcomes. Its a slow process that's takes lots of thought and practice, but changing your frame game is a necessity.

It was me that said that she had missed the boat, maybe i wasn't clear with how i phrased it but i think you have read the conversation the wrong way round.

Thank you detox for the advise about frame control, it sounds like something that is logical, but i definitely naturally AFC in this situation and answer her questions ect.


In terms of this actual conversation I had to take my housemate to A&E Friday evening so had to cancel the date, I made it to the club later but as I had already cancelled and the HB was going to come to the club with me, she wasn't there. Were still talking although I've had to come home for a week (at university SPAM) so i will have to see what happens when i'm back.

I just read over this thread and Im finding that alot of guys are making the same mistake when it comes to texting. Texts need to be short assertive and to the point. They are not a tool to build comfort with your target and they are not something that should be drawn out for days at a time. These kind of texts build too much suspense and are commonly over analyzed by both parties. Next time try something like this.

PUA: Hey. How are you feeling?
Girl: Im good blah blah blah you?
PUA: I feel unstoppable (or something else that seems exaggerated). My friends are having a party tonight you should swing through.

OR

PUA: Im meeting friends at this bar later. Stop by.

Texts should be short sweet and to the point. Do not draw them out and do not disclose information or routines that should have been used in person.