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There's this very attractive 40yr old lady whom I had a crush on for months. We work in the same company. One day she fell sick and I made her freshly squeezed juice for a week and I confessed to her. She claimed to be still single and haven't met Mr. Right.

Ever since that day I confessed to her.

1) She spammed my HP with text from morning to night including weekends
2) She would call me every night for a chat
3) Whenever she saw me at work, she would run i mean really RUN to me and make small talk
4) She once flaunted her body in front of me when I was queuing up for lunch. Purposely cat walk and walk directly pass in front of me.
5) She would buy snacks for me once a while.
6) She reports to me whatever she's doing as if I'm her bf.
7) She compliment me often saying I'm cute.
8) She has her 100% attention on me. She'll ask why I look so tired that day etc.

I've tried asking her out but she said she was busy near year end due to work. She suggested that we could take off from work together and visit some places.

Until 2 weeks later, I can't tolerate her insane texting & frustrated with her playing hard to get I told her " Stop msging me, I dont intend to have a cyber GF."
She ignored me from that day onwards, blocked me from SPAM and was absent from work the next day. I asked for forgiveness but she refused & she complained about my picture on the company photo to a random coworker who knows nothing about us.


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I apologized a few days later on my childish text. She forgave me and told me its not my fault, she knows i'm a nice guy but she find it hard to accept a guy so much younger than her. Few days later, we ended up in a very big argument on the phone, insulting each other and raising voices. I stopped talking to her after that, avoided her at work and totally ignoring her for 2 weeks straight.

One day we bumped into the hallway, she smiled and asked me not to be hostile. I told her I'm not & properly apologized to her thru mail. She unblocked me from SPAM and said we still can be friends, I tried to chat with her as a friend and she gave me cold and very short replies.

My biggest mistake was begging, pleading and explaining myself to her and she brushed me off saying she has a boyfriend now. On christmas, I tried texting her again. Telling her if being friends would rekindle what we had before, I would give it my all but she totally blew me away "Thx but I have a boyfriend now."

I've not spoken to her since christmas. Only contact we had was at work and I went to inquire some work stuff with her keeping it short and brief. Both of us had been civil at work, we would still greet each other at work if we happen to bump into one another. (She works in the office & I work in the production floor. We seldom meet.)

I managed to recover from the heart ache, got new glasses, got a tan ( I'm a gym rat) and went shopping. Last week I went to the office and I was teasing and having a little fun with another chick, I know she was in the office but i didn't care. When I got to work on Monday, she gave me a death look in her face when I walked passed her. She seems to be avoiding me ever since.

Today I was in the office waiting for a customer, I was messing with my phone and I noticed she was looking at me. I didn't bother to look at her, I took her as a invisible ghost.

I admit I do still have feelings for her. I really liked her a lot. Now that I'm doing what I can to move on, maintaining NC and have fun with other girls, why is she behaving like this? Does she still have feelings for me or totally hates me? If she hates me why the hell she started hating me on Monday?



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She's 40 & I'm 29. She's really hot! Lots of guys are gaga over her. I don't mind her age and I don't mind dating someone in the same workplace cos i;ve experienced office relationships before.


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Anyone had a similar experience?


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lol it's not even been an hour since your post, hold your horses... I'm actually trying to write you a reply right now :P


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Tip for future: Be unreactive.

I'd go on the assumption that she does not have a boyfriend, and probably does still have feelings for you. You mentioned that she's "after Mr. Right", she was probably slow to escalate with you due to this. Making sure you ticked all of her boxes.

If you were still interested, i would act as if nothing happened for the most part, if you see her, smile genuinely, as you normally would have in the past. If you want to meet her outside of the work place, don't make i a big deal. Something like "hey, do you wanna go to _______ after work? I need to do this/need your help choosing this" etc. Remove the association of you, her, bad feelings and the work place.

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Tip for future: Be unreactive.

I'd go on the assumption that she does not have a boyfriend, and probably does still have feelings for you. You mentioned that she's "after Mr. Right", she was probably slow to escalate with you due to this. Making sure you ticked all of her boxes.

If you were still interested, i would act as if nothing happened for the most part, if you see her, smile genuinely, as you normally would have in the past. If you want to meet her outside of the work place, don't make i a big deal. Something like "hey, do you wanna go to _______ after work? I need to do this/need your help choosing this" etc. Remove the association of you, her, bad feelings and the work place.

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Hi Adam, I appreciate your advice. Whether she still have feelings a not, that I'm really not very sure. I screwed up big time with the stupid insensitive text I sent her, the huge argument and the begging and pleading which is a big turn off. She probably has a guy now since she's so hot. I'm not stalking her but she seems to be online in SPAM a lot. Probably chatting with some other guy.

And yeah, I've always been normal in front of her, just that I don't strike any conversation or give her the attention I used to give her because she was really cold in responding to my text 2 weeks ago. She did take a good look at my new glasses when I approached her for work related stuff. Lol

I'm just assuming that she's angry at me for hitting on another girl in the office because before that we acted normal and professionally to each other at work. She would initiate "Hi" or "Hello". And now she gives me that " Can u pls @#$% off from my sight" look in her face. I'm like wtf have I done to you.

Do you think I should continue NC with her for another month or so to give her some space before I text her again? I would be lying to myself if I said I don't want her in my life.


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For all intents and purposes, you have to assume she’ll never like you again. But, if there ever was a chance, you’d miss it by assuming there wasn’t - so on that principal (which is a principal you apply to all of life, nothing special about this situation) you can keep an eye out for signs. But there’s no reason to assume she will. Here’s why;

Biologically, women risk a lot more than men by “chasing”. It’s men chasing women, everyone knows this. And because everyone knows this, if a women chases a man, she runs the risk of appearing desperate. Even though that’s not the case - that’s the fear of how it may seem. (I’d be happy to elaborate on this but the post will become quite lengthy. Just ask.) So if you reject a woman when she’s run such a high risk, you hurt her real bad. And she will hate you. Like how if you trusted someone with something precious and they do something bad with it, you’d hate that person more than the average joe who you didn’t entrust with the ability to hurt you so much. It’s just how it is.

But there’s another level of stupidity to what you did. (But this sequence of events is quite common). Women biologically look for a mate that will provide and protect them. And one of the qualities is emotional stability. Women are far more in tune with reading emotions and expressing them, but the downside is that sometimes they can be overwhelmed by them. So a key quality in a good mate is someone who can provide stability for her when she needs it. If you demonstrate a lack of this quality, you can be out so fast...

And finally, when you are in the courtship phase, and they are really into you, and then you display a key unnatractive thing - such as low confidence, emotional instability, etc. and suddenly the amazing guy they thought they were with, turns out to be a wuss, this stark contrast causes a strong emotional response. She needs to cut ties with you, and rationalise that she never liked you in the first place. And even interpret your subsequent behaviour in a totally unnecessarily negative way. It’s like you fooled her into giving her emotions to someone that really didn’t deserve that kind of intimacy from them. There would be a very strong biological reason for this reaction, and I can’t explain it fully yet - but regardless - this is what happens.

All of the above happened for you. And here’s why you did it.

When you got anxious with her playing “hard to get”, it was your own insecurities about why you couldn’t get her to be more intimate with you. Your little outburst in the text message “stop messaging me, I don’t want a cyber girlfriend” was a key sign that you weren’t emotionally stable. Of course, this isn’t written in a female’s handbook anywhere - this is just biological, evolved over millions of years. You demonstrated a lack of control, and it’s just very unattractive to a female. And naturally, your rejection hurt, a lot, as it would male or female.
But she wasn’t playing hard to get - males are generally not as good with emotions - you see, while you were pre-occupied with “getting further with her”, she was enjoying the flirting and drawing it out, making it special. A few experiences in life are fun when they’re hard and fast, but I’m sure you’ll agree that most experiences in life were best when they were built up, drawn out, teased, had mystery, etc. and that’s the wave she was riding. And as you pay more attention to the way women feel and why they do things, you’ll be able to appreciate this more.

But that was not the clincher - you nearly came back from that. It was a one off, and wasn’t enough to knock out everything that had happened so far. In fact, because it was a one off, it MAY have been due to something temporary, eg. a death in the family, who knows. But a one off thing like that is possible to overcome.
It’s the drawn out demonstrations of unattractive qualities that will seal your fate. And you rightly identified it was your pleading and rationalising. Men are good with logic, but the downfall is relying on it too heavily where emotions are required. You cannot logically rationalise a woman into liking you. The things that turn her on are attractive qualities which women have evolved to spot over millions of years that can’t be faked. (But it can be learned). You can’t fake unshakable self confidence. You can’t fake emotional stability in the face of very testing situations. And when you fall back on logic in these situations, it’s another demonstration of a lack of an attractive quality.

So, that’s why you did what you did.

And right now all you can take from that is how not to behave in the future. If you feel frustrated, focus on the good things that are happening, and ask yourself - how would I feel if I lost it? That will help you keep your head straight. And if things go to shit - don’t rationalise with her. Just be a man, it’s the only way back. There isn’t much you can do but hopfully the above helps you understand what’s going on and then helps you to avoid doing it again.

You MAYYYY have a chance with her in the future - but who knows. But seriously - what you’re doing right now is great. Great great great, it’s good stuff - the gym, the grooming, the girls, it’s the very very best thing you can be doing right now, and you’re doing it VERY well. It’s good for you and it’s good for your future opportunities with girls.

So yeah, the short answer is - don’t do it again, and what you’re doing now is fine. Hope it was enlightening.


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Oh and to actually answer your question - I'd wager strongly that the reason for her behaviour is she's finding reasons to hate you. Once you've become that guy, once you've "duped" them into liking a wuss, everything you do will be wrong, in their eyes. Efforts to make contact will be stalking. Flirting with other girls will mean you're a whore. She's glaring at you now that you're flirting because she's thinking "what a bastard, who's he going to screw over next".

I've been here many times before. Sometimes you totally own, and sometimes you fail, and as a guy, this is one of the outcomes of failure. Other times you're the ladies man and no one would ever know a girl could hate you that much.


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Hi Conker thank you so much for making me understand my situation, I greatly appreciate it. That's the best info / advice I've ever heard. Most of my friends told me to move on and that's it. Leaving me with so many questions in my head. Had been googling for answers but I did the right thing posting for help in this forum.

I actually plan to remain NC with her till March 7th which is her birthday. Thinking of making a handmade bdae card for her. (Girls usually appreciate handmade stuff a lot)

And let her know that I still do care for her. If she responds then I'll work my way up again slowly (Probably have to work 2-3x harder). If she doesn't respond and still behaves the same way, I'll move on fully. I have to admit after understanding the mistakes I made, It stings my heart to have hurt someone I really like.

Other than maintaining NC, I cannot think of anything else to make her not hate me anymore but to improve myself. I really hope she'll notice the change in me. If ever 1 day I can get her back, I'll make sure I won't repeat those mistakes and to consider her feelings more.

She actually did 90% of the chasing, I was kinda overwhelmed by her insane texting. All i did was approaching her for her number, made fruit juices and replying to her text and phone calls and some sweet talking lol.


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Good because realizing you hurt someone you liked is important, because that's what happened. And yeah you got it - all you can do now is all you ever should have done - be the best person you can be and always work to improvement.

A lot of the PUA community focuses on the superficial level and providing "instructions" and "solutions" because this is how men like to work - with logic. But courtship requires emotion and connection. And so a lot of the community never gets around to understanding women.

With the card as long as you don't get too creepy and soppy. Just wish her all the best and that she enjoys her birthday. You don't have to outright say "I still have feelings for you", the gesture itself will send that message, clearly. That's that whole logic vs emotion thing again.


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And regarding your message, yeah avoiding her will give her less reasons to hate you. Saying "I've got a boyfriend" and giving you the "stay away from me" look, all means leave her alone, so any interaction will be the perfect excuse to hate you more.

Just keep it safe and professional, since it's at work. And be polite - don't be too cold and don't be too nice. Normal is the closest you'll get to not giving her a reason to dislike you further.


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Conker knows his shit.

As for the card whatever you do DON'T try logically explaining or justifying (aka qualifying) yourself.

Telling her she still has feelings / Getting her back.... egh... the sad thing is, once the Circle of Trust is broken, it's impossible for things to be the way they were, best case you need MASSIVE RAPPORT to make a recovery, like you were childhood best friends, just look at marriages with infidelity, even in those long relationships it's difficult to keep going. As hard as this is to hear in this case I'd say move on.


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Awesome advice mate, thank you so much for sharing.

I'm assuming she still have some feelings for me which explains her current behavior. I think shes trying to convert any romantic feelings for me to hate which will make her feel better.

From my past experience with my exs, i noticed those who still talk and behave normally with me probably had fully moved on, I still keep in contact with some of them. I always thought when a girl lets go someone, they will fully move on and behave indifferent. I guess I was wrong t


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Hi Domr, thx a lot for your advice. I guess you are right. I've hurt her too much & I only got myself to blame. I will only write stuff about her and nothing about myself. Don't wanna explain and say shit on the card which will fuel her anger.

I'm in the process of moving on but I have to be very honest. Deep down in my heart I still really want her. I'll let fate decide and carry on with my life. I know I sound like a fool / wuss now but I really can't help it.

Thank you all for your advice , I really appreciate it from the bottom of my heart.


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Hi guys, it's been 2 months of nc and Ive been dating other chicks. Currently dating a really hot girl however I still got some feelings towards the old girl. She had been quite crazy recently. Just last week, I accidentally closed the door without realizing she was behind me.

When I entered the office ( thank god there wasn't anyone else ),she stood up from her partition and in a loud tone " hey do you have a problem with me?" I looked at her and walked off. That night I texted her ( breaking nc 1st time after almost 2 months).

I told her that "I do not have anything against u nor I feel anger and the feeling towards u will always be the same when I just got to know u. Peace and thx." She never replied.

Couple of days ago, I bumped into her. Trying to avoid her I looked down and suddenly she waved her hands directly in front of me and smiled. I just raised my eyebrows in knowledgement and walked off. It seriously caught me by surprise and she acted the same for these past few days.

Today I texted her asking her my leave balance (she is the hr manager btw ), surprisely she responded immediately.

I know I should be glad that at least she isn't hostile towards me anymore however I still hold a torch for her but I really don't know how should I proceed. I'm pretty sure she knows I'm dating a really hot chick as I posted lots of pics in Facebook. She doesn't have my Facebook however we have many mutual Friebds and co workers. I'm pretty sure she knows.

Is she just trying to be civil again or is it becos she knows I am dating another girl and that I won't bother her again? I know u guys will probably ask me to move on. Believe me I'm moving on but even I'm dating a much younger, hotter chick.. The feeling isn't the same! :?


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