I'll try and give the whole story to give some context but make it as brief as possible so as not to bore.

as best as i can remember
Outside of club
girl: do i know you from somewhere?
me: Probably recognised my awesome dancing, i've had loads of women come up to me and say the same thing
girl: blah blah blah
me: (little more banter) i've got to get back to my friends, some shit banter about maing sure she doesn't stalk me home (it was the university club and we all live in pretty much the same place)

walking home with friends, we stop to wait for another friend she walks past
me: some more banter about her being weird and stalking me
her: laughing trying to justify herself, she wasn't stalking just trying to go home

just outside student village
i go for a piss in a bush, come out she is just passing us again (she had stopped for chips)
me: wow, now you're watching me piss, this is really weird!
her: i wasn't just trying to get home
me: i thought i told you not to stalk me, blah blah blah

walk with her the last 2 mins home with more banter about her being creepy and stalking me her laughing but still trying to say she wasn't. then i suggested the "do i know you from somewhere" was a really shit pick-up line and she was trying it on, she denied. we talked about shit pick-up lines.

she lived at the set of apartments before mine so dropped her off. she asked for my name so she could add me on facebook. i made some joke about not wanting her to stalk me, just give me her phone number and i'll text. she said ok and gave it to me. might have been more but flat mates had spotted her outside and opened door for her.

then the next day i texted: Are you out tonight? do i need to be wary of people stalking me all the way home again

no reply for 4 days then: hahaha loser!

I thought i just took her number down wrong or something but then she texted me back after 4 days. just wondering is it recoverable and if not what went wrong.
relatively new to this whole thing but tought we had good banter, laughed a lot and she asked me for my contact details so she was obviously interested. i would have been fine with no text back but after 4 days is just weird. any ideas what happened? should i text back, if so what?
thanks guys

You abused the same line: "Stalker" too much.
Try and SMS her with a low value approach but completely forget the stalker part ... by now it's not funny anymore.
Also, she lives nearby, so you are lucky, you'll see her again soon. Just have something witty to say when it happens to put her aside from the stalking stuff.

sorry still pretty new to this.
can you give me a specific example of what to text?
trying to get in as much practice as possible and hopefully a good text will lead to a reply which i can deal with myself
thanks

Call her; and be yourself, don't be cocky or try too hard. Talk for a minute or two then ask her out. It is OK to get rejected; if you don't try, you already have an automatic NO.

Texting is going to drive you nuts, for she may not even respond (or take another 4 days to respond). So call, and you will have your answer soon. If she flakes, move on to the next girl.

In fact, before you call her, get one more #. That way you have a backup plan

Hum, I wouldn't call her now, unless you don't have much interest in her and just wanna test how it goes.
The last interactions haven't been good. And calling a girl that answered like that 4 full days after you send her a message will come across as needy.
Just keep it cool and call her only after you get her to invest some time in you trough messaging.

My experience, in the beginning, it's always better to SMS - unless you meet her in person of course ... that beats any other kind of communication - that's what girls expect now-a-days, and it's way easier to you anyway cause you can think about what you are going to say.

i've got no interest in this girl at all, she is fine to experiment with.

i'm a fresher so have been going out 6 times a week for the last 3 weeks. i've got plenty of numbers this one was just a bit of a curve ball and wanted some advice on how to handle it.

i know this makes me come across as a massive dick but there's so much opportunity that losing one number that i picked up on the way home from a club doesn't really bother me.

Honestly a hail-mary type play would be great so if it works great, if it doesn't its one less thing to think about

dont beat your self up you did alright. i use the stalker line all the time. the trick is after the first or second time start acting like ur falling for her stalkerish ways. instead of "oh ur watching me piss stalker" go with "well if ur going to take it this far i guess ill give u a chance" and remeber to say "chance" she hasnt won you over yet so you keep value. this will give her a chance to, some what prove her self that shes not as bad as u put on. aprove on something an disagree with most others remember you have ur own veiws to. but this role play is a hard one to perfect my advice when you see her again dont go back to it. new opener and go from there she has seen your goofy side, show half serious now. hope it helps

update, need your advice

i decided to reply with
"4 days to reply. That's longer than jesus. I should have gone with the facebook option, could of had a good photo stalk before deciding whether you're worth the wait.

pretty much a hail mary move, didn't expect a reply but after 2 days (getting better)
she said: Facebook is defo a better bet with me. phone is always either lost or out of battery. soz

i'm a little confused as to what she's playing at. all her texts suggest no interest but she is texting back. why bother if she's not interested?

thinking of texting back "why haven't you added me yet? sugarmclovin, now you have no excuse."

want a more experience opinion on the matter though.
thanks

double update: accidently sent her a text meant for my friend so had to immediately text back, "that wasn't for you, sorry. my name is sugarmclovin, add me"

she has and now after looking through her photos with flat mates we have established she's an actual 8. The average being 5, and average being perfectly acceptable, with 95% of people 7 or less she is an 8. Obviously wasn't paying close enough attention on first encounter (possibly alcohol related). But according to facebook she has done modelling work and her legs go on for ever.

Anyway the point of this post is that im way out of my depth. only just started this and im a 3-4/10 so theres a huge looks gap. Anyone got any advice on where to go from here? how to initiate conversation on facebook, what to say etc. general hints.

thanks very much

I'm flabbergasted by the fact that she replied that way after 4 days. I don't see any reasons to do so, and I would've suspected the text wasn't actually for you or by her.

Also, I think it was a mistake pointing out she took 4 days to reply, it showed you was like waiting for her text to come, and you even counted the days.
I think you should have acted more like: « Eh? What are you talking about? » because it was a joke and by now you'd perhaps should have forgot about what exactly you wrote.

Maybe if her text was really referring to your text and she told you, you could have gone something like: « Ah! Do you still remember that joke? You have been giving me quite a thought! » implying that you was carefree, not being too serious, also have a life beside joking with some random girl you met and have a phone number, and, most importantly, that SHE was giving you a suspicious amount of attention!

As for the Facebook thing, I'm not a fan of it so I have no hints for you. But, in general, I have just one hint: never, never, never give attention to any sort of looks gap (as you called it): you will subconsciously think that she is out of your league and will not be able to hide it: i.e. she will really be out of your league.

Just my 2 cents.

ShinRa

no girl is out of your depth or gap or watever ive closed with girls that i seriously thought i didnt even have a chance with. FRAME: shes not an 8 shes a 5 at best youve been with and dated hotter chicks(no matter if this is true it should be your mind set)

i think one point is she problably has alot of guys that are trying to date her due to her looks so wat i would do is the opposite and dont fall into the cleshey "boyfriend material" probably wont work because every other guy has tryed to do this.

another invite her into your world dont try to join hers. again this is wat probably every guy before you did. an example is invite her to something your going to do with or without her YOU: hey i was going disc golfing if you wanted you could come along" so if she says no then your not effected before texting her back go and do wat you planned after" its cool i accually already left when i got your text" meaning you werent waiting for her you run the show

try to get some info on guys that have screwed up with her so you can get a feel for wat shes not looking for and ofcourse avooid thoughs. an easy way to get that kind of info is talking about some crazy girls that you met or tryed to date you. this will usaully open them up to a story or two if not then say" wat about you clean track record?" coy look on your face. trust not many pretty girl have one

last one is confidentence you have to show that you are use to dealing with girls of her caliber. good FRAME: your last girlfriend was hotter than her. your going for high value not player like your searching for someone to suit you and your needs and she could be that for you if shes good.

all this i use on a daily bases but like above post said if you beleive she is out of your range then she will be trust i deal with girls like this she'll smell fear like your wearing perfume

-alphaleader

People tell you to not use the whole "stalker" thing and then you went and did it anyway lol. Anyway, looks don't matter man. Just play it cool, be confident, be yourself. And most importantly don't look desperate. Good things come to those who wait.

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