This is going to be a long one. I have this HB9 with whom I m having trouble setting up day2. I approached her a couple of weeks ago after an AI in this little bar I frequent. When I did she laughed and said you saw me looking at you. Had some nice time there, since she is somewhat younger than me I kept calling her daughter and kept correcting her while she played along and called me daddy. I changed venues with her and her friend had kino going and played hard to get. This was obviously a challenge for her since she kept dancing in front of me, throwing herself at me etc. On the end I k closed her on wich she reacted oh no you have just ruined everything and laughed. I took her number and she went home.

Two days later I text her:
Me: Hello sunshine (daughter reference)! What are you up to? Acctually I think I m going to have to renounce you...
Her: Hello daddy! I m at work reading the book and enjoing myself (she works at some boutique). Why are you going to renounce me? What did I do?
Me: A book? Do you want me to come over and buy something so you wouldn't be so bored? I m going to renounce you because we behaved inapropriatly for a family.

Dead air, no response...

3 days (friday) later I call her intending to set up day2:
Me: Hi pumpkin.
Her: Hello daddy. Oh it's so good to hear your voice..
Me: Im glad you like it.
(small talk...)
Me: So I m free tonight and I m going downtown to have some fun. Wanna come?
Her: Oh I don't know I have this cousin who is celebrating her birthday... What time did you had in mind?
Me: We can meet up around 22h.
Her: Oh that is good, Ill get back to you.
Me: Ok but do that in the next hour or so, so I can make other arrangements if you arent comming.

Waited for two hours texted her: What is the situation? I can't wait any more.... No responce.

I ran into her saturday night (we like the same bar), hugs and kisses (on the cheek)
She: Oh I m sorry I haven't responded I've been tide up.
Me: No problem I had a lot of fun.
Blank stare on her face.
Me: Let's go out tommorow.
Her: Oh, Im working tomorrow, how about monday night? Im free than.
Me: Ok, I'll have to get back to you on that to confirm (I m genuinely very busy).
Her: Ok.

I notice that she is ignoring me more and more. I m aloof and having fun around the bar. See her another time that night, heavy ignoring, but Im still aloof so I don't lose power.

Call her on monday:
Blah blah blah...
Me: Ok let's meet up tonigh at 22h near the X.
Her: What?! Im working tonight till 22!
This cought me by suprise...
Me: You said you were free tonight.
Her: No I didn't, am working.
Me: I don't know what to say then (Im thinking har where to squeze her in since Im busy)...
Her: Let's go out tommorow night.
Me: Um, hum, Im busy tommorow night. Im have to do the X (lasts a couple of weeks).
Her: (pissed of voice) Well when you finish call me then!

Sunday comes. I run into her again.

Me: Hello pumpkin.
Her: Oh hi daddy!
We talk a bit she again starts to close her body language to me and I walk away. She passes me a little bit later singing to me: I want you in my bedroom, folowing the song that was just playing. I respond sarcasticaly Yeah Yeah, following the song myslef. In the same bar I approach another chick, take her outside and k close her. Don't know if she saw us.

Couple of days passes, a holiday comes and I send her a nice little message wishing her all the best. No responce. Rude, this pisses me off a bit. I don't like rude people. Couple of days later I call her. She doesn't answers but calls me back. Thanks me for the massage, I bust her bally a little bit for no answering. We set up day2 finaly.
Next day sensing a flake I text her:

Ok, let's meet up at 21:30 at X. (Instruction for use: This is NOT a holiday message, which means it REQUIRES a polite answer of: -OHHH YEEES! or equally polite answer of: No I can't go out tonight I have calluses. (sounds better in my language)).

Her: Hahaha! OMG this is original! I have this birthday tonight and have to cancel on you. I m really sorry? How about saturday? I'll call you!
Me: You have calluses. I can't on saturday, call me monday or thusday I am available then. And next time when you cancel please do so more in advance so I can make other plans. Now I am stuck at home. You don't know anything do you.

I freeze out, and lo and behold a text comes on thuesday:

Her: How are you today? (Now this is game lemme tell you, geez...)
Me: Oh hello pumpkin! I knew it I forgot someone! Im excelent doing X. What are you up to?
Her: I m having coffee with my girlfriends. I have to go to work, Can't make it. I'll call you for coffee in a few days.
Me: Ok, no problem. Say hello to your girlfriends.

Three day pass, I call her, no answer. A call her again a few hours later, no answer. I send her a text:
Pumpkin are you alive? Did those nasty calluses spread or something?
No answer.

I run into her last night while moving through the crowd in the bar. She was with a friend and a couple of betas.
Without stopping to talk or say hello:
Me: Just a minute pumpkin I m passing here.
I didn't here what she said.
Me: Anyway I don't love you anymore.
Her: O fuck off Count! (now i am not sure about this line it was noisy)
I keep moving along and go outside. My wingman said how her beta bad mouthed me how he really hates guys like me (yeah thats right bitch ).
She goes outside passes next to me looks at me smiles and says: Hi son! I make a stupid taunting face at her and look away. Few minutes later she passes me again, I completely ignore her and she steps on my foot. I yell out in pain. Didn' see her again.

This is it. My game is beginning to fall apart here, and I don't know what do to any more. Should I send her a comfort building text, add her on FB (my profile is a good dhv) or freeze her out completely. My problems with her is that I feel she is provoking me and shit testing me and attempting to run the show like she does with her betas. Now I don't tolerate that. She is somewhat rude too. And since the first night her body language was on-off. She greets my warmly, hugs me, and than she closes off. She basicly does't hold a lot of value to me but I love a challenge and would really like to crack this one open. And her flaking is beggining to fuck with my frame. Help?

Yeah, I totally know what you're talking about, bro. I've been gaming this HB8 (who believes she's a perfect 10) for a couple of weeks. She promises to call me and then doesn't call for three days until I text her what's up... And everytime we meet, both of us play games like we don't give a fuck. I had a real hard time kiss close her. Took me like 5 dates, I've never seen something like that before.

Anyway, long story short: I sort of got sick and tired of these games. I mean, light banter and DHV stories are great, but I also like to have some real conversation. And while she is an HB8, she is also 8 when it comes to her mental age. I was slowly getting bored. All I wanted to do was get laid. And gaming this girl was proving to be a huge waste of time. So I decided to go for it and if it didn't work, leave it behind.

The next time we met we played some games, standard DHV, blah blah. And when I felt the timing was good, I tried to kiss her. She gave me this real short kiss and then she moved away smiling: "oh what are you doing, you're bad!". I replied something to the effect that I thought I was wasting my time there and that I was on the brink of ending this... well whatever it is. That's when I got the first real french kiss from her.

I don't know if there is anything in this story that you could use. It might very well happen that you say "I'm done here" and she replies "Okay", which you obviously don't want. My point is: all this PUA training is supposed to project some social value by acting that you don't give a fuck. Even better is to act like that and ACTUALLY not give a fuck. I would personally walk away at this point. But it is up to you to decide whether or not she is important to you...

Thanks for your input man, appreciate it. This chick has no value for me since she lives with her parents, and I currently live with mine so f-closing is difficult. I started gaming her just to train and hone skills. But somehow I got to invested in the the process. You know when your frends connstantly ask you: Man what happend to that chick she is really hot and you strat thinking to much. Anyway I decided to keep gaming her until I completly crash and burn just to learn something from it. So I texted her today using couple of Vin DiCarlo tehniques:

Me: Damn you stepped on my foot last night clumsy. My toe is still sore. I guess I have to pay more attention to you from now on, haha...
Her: Haha. It was crowded. And everybody was pushing me. Im sorry. How are you today? What are you doing?
Me: I m tired as dog from last night. It was crazy. Got home at 7 am. The old man could belive his eyes when he saw me. I met (cut off - Vin DiCarlo)
Her:Oo. 7 am i too much for me. I am a girl still. But I got wasted too last night. Im gone untill further notice. Today all day at work. Barely! Only a part of your text arrived. Up to I MET. So if you want me to answer the rest I first have to read it. (cut off works very well)
Me: I got a call while writing so it must have slliped through. I met your double last night. Interesting girl. We really have to go get some medical assistance to rehabilitate ourselfs. Be careful with change.

She gets hooked again on the double. Works every time. Excanged a few more texts. She was real nice and polite this time. Told her to add me on FB, guess I have to reward the nice behaviour. I think Ill be writing something on flake busting soon. I m certainly getting enough experience and its not just this girl. Unfortunatly.

Regarding k-close, don't know if you need the advice but I'll write it up anyway. I usually move them around a lot. We go to the bar, we go dancing, we go outside for fresh air, we change venues. Alway move with them on your hand, oldschool, you know. They like it alot. It makes them feel like a lady, and makes them see you like Clark Gable or some shit. Escalate on kino in every way possible but trying to keep it natural and context related (She pushes me, I say damn you are a strong lady and feel her muscles etc). When walking through a crowd with her you always lead and go first. If she tries to go first you stop her, say I am not being a gentleman and move in front of her. Try to offer token ressistance. Make her work for the kiss. When kissing her kiss a little bit and then move away slightly and smile. She will start to chase you and trying to kiss you. Also when k-closing try not to make it a makeout session if there is no opportunity for f-close. I groped a few girls to much and got the ASD next day because they felt bad of what they have done. This especially goes if you haven't introduced yourself beforehand, lol.