Next steps? - getting a Day2 while avoiding LJBF



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:32 am 
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Very new to the PUA community, only started learning seriously about 1-2 months ago. Have been doing social exercises/training (talking to random girls, etc.) but haven't made a ton of progress yet. Recently a situation developed, which I'm hoping I can use to learn a lot of new things, and refine my technique.

The Ask:
Please take a look at the context here, then give opinions/analysis on what you think I should do next (or general tips/pointers).

Goal:
To get target to meet me for a Day 2, dodging the LJBF zone, and gaining solid ground on making her my GF.

History/Context:
Detailed events may be found in the post after this one (I cannot post links to this forum yet, so I'll repost my old thread OP)...

But here is the quick recap:
  • 1. Girl I've known for a long time (she used to date someone on the fringe of my social circle) recently starts showing interest in me.
  • 2. After some flirting at gatherings of mutual friends, I ask her to have lunch w/ me.
  • 3. Three-hr lunch, kino, compliance, fair number of IOIs, but she has a very flirty personality in general (mischievous).
  • 4. I don't solidly close, but when I mention my interest in taking a roadtrip this Labor Day wkend, she seems interested, despite other tentative plans she has.
  • 5. Two days later, she emails me and a group of her friends, saying we should go on this trip for the wkend. (thus, she blew off her other plans)
Current Plan:
While reading some other posts on this subforum, I noticed that calling someone seems to be viewed as the stronger option, as opposed to texting (I assume email is in the same group as texting). I also got some good advice on my prev. post, saying I should cultivate a sense of 'scarcity' of myself/my time as a resource, to be more in demand.
  • Plan A: Go on the roadtrip with her and her friends (several groups of couples, Me, and 1 guy who she LJBF'd and fawns over her). Run group game, DHV, escalate, distinguish myself from the other guys.
  • Pros: Overnight trip, many chances to escalate, she bailed on other plans to set this up.
  • Cons: Others in this group are firmly in my social circle (unlike her), and will call me out for acting different, group has a strong AMOG who holds court, and flirts w/ target despite having a GF
  • Plan B: I call (or email?) her back, telling her I already have plans for the wkend--if she is interested in tagging along on Sunday, she can have a great time w/ me and a bunch of new ppl she has never met (we've recently talked about how we want to try new things).
  • Pros: Scarcity, busy social life, not falling into the same category as 'one of her friends', which I kinda feel might happen if I went on the roadtrip
  • Cons: Flaking on her...since I kinda did suggest the trip. She's flirty and probably HB8, but she's a sweet girl and not really a player.
Conclusion:
I'd like to know your thoughts on what I should do next to reach my stated goal, as well as any insight into the progress thus far. 'safety' replied to my other post with an excellent comment about how, the closer you move to a relationship, the harder it gets to keep composure. This is a crucial point where I will either fuck up and be LJBF'd, or I can escalate and make her my GF. Thanks for your help!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:33 am 
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I'm sorry I wrote a fucking novel here. I'm too tired to edit it down, but for those who slog/skim through it and offer your advice, I am eternally grateful.

Hi all,

First off: lots of respect for the community here--I've learned so much already over the past few months I've lurked around this, and other PUA sites, and I can tell that there are some incredibly useful skillsets to be learned from reading and practicing some of the advice given here. Apologies in advance for the wall of text, and thanks for any insight you may be able to give. I didn't have a really specific question, just wanted some general advice on what you guys might do for next steps here (to escalate, make her my GF, avoid LJBF zone etc.).

This is definitely TMI, but I don't really know where to start, so I'm giving a vast overview of how this entire thing has unfolded. Any critiques or pointers for places I'm messing up would be incredibly helpful too.

Me: I'm really new to the game and PUA in general: it's always been something I've wanted to try out sometime, but it isn't until recently that I 'snapped' and have been on something of a self-improvement binge (literally, this has consumed my life). FYI, I'm extremely inexperienced with women, but I'm not too bad socially (a little awkward at times, but I can also be charismatic when I try). I've been reading up on PUA and doing exercises to become more social, but I'm still very much a beginner.

LJBF situation:
1. Girl I've known for a long time (but on the 'fringe' of my social circle) broke up with her longtime BF about half a yr ago. Here are a few key details:
-Have always felt some chemistry w/ her in our interactions in the past, but because I knew her BF as well, I never really gave it much thought. Also she's very attractive, and has a flirty personality. (probably HB8?)
-Her BF works across the border for long periods of time, so she built up a social circle of guys at home who are basically like guard dogs: a bunch of single/with GF/married guys she has LJBF'd who fawn over her because they are still interested, commenting on how hot she is, etc. Things are probably heightened now that she's single.

2. Saw her for the first time in a long while about 2 months ago at a mutual friend's party: felt like I received some IOIs (looking at me and giggling, talking to me a lot, sitting near me). I froze up and acted really awkward in response, and she seemed a bit disappointed by this and ended up totally ignoring me for the rest of the night.

3. Week later, saw her again at mutual friend's house: totally ignored me. This frustration at not being able to do anything or...knowing how to handle a girl's interest was really the catalyst for this all-consuming PUA and self-improvement binge I've been on for over a month now. I say catalyst for change, because although she has provided the spark, this is something I want to master for my life--not just for her. I would like to learn as much as I can from this encounter, but by no means do I rest all my hopes on it (aka oneitis).

4. Randomly met her on the subway home from work (long ride). We hit it off great but at this point I still didn't know much about how to escalate/kino/DHV etc. so in retrospect I just see this as a lot of comfort building not going anywhere (other than LJBF zone!). She asks me to join her and some of her other friends in getting a bite to eat, so I join her and we take one car. This perhaps gets her into trouble later as we leave the bar, when her friends seem shocked (jealous??) that she gave me a ride. We head back to her place (where we left my car) and she seems hurried as we pull into the driveway. She curtly bids me a good night, and goes in, avoiding eye-contact. I thank her for the ride/say it was fun.

5. Several weeks pass. I meet her again through a mutual get-together with friends, this time at a festival w/ a big crowd. I have internalized a bit of the game at this point, so I am better about using negs, not 'taking her shit', being a lot more playful and funny, and also trying to escalate using some light kino. Still, she gets bored with the festival and leaves early citing other plans. I hear from others in the group that she has been going on random dates lately, but hasn't met anyone in particular that interests her.

6. The next day, I see a text message from her telling me that she has a free ticket to a show we had talked about previously--since she's not going to go, I was welcome to come over and take hers. I already had other plans that day, but somehow felt like...I needed to take action here, so I gave her a call. Here's how the day unfolded: (god...I realize how AFC-ridiculous so much of this is as I write it, but again, I'm such a fucking newbie)

-Call her, playful convo, get her laughing. Mention I have other plans. Tell her I need a female opinion on some fashion shit as I'm buying clothes, and that she should tag along as I head to the mall. She balks, give excuses about not knowing guy fashion, etc (yes I know this is all crap).
-I respond something like 'whatever hater, you must not know how to have a good time etc.' Then segue into 'well I'm going to get something to eat before I head to the mall--you hungry?' She agrees to meet me at a nearby restaurant for lunch. She says something strange here that I didn't really know how to read (so much data out there, I get confused about how to interpret things lately). She tells me it will take her about an hr to meet me there--I tell her to just roll her ass out of bed and throw on some sweatpants. She replies 'ya thats the idea--you better not be expecting me to dressed up like it's some big deal!'

-She arrives dressed in sexy shorts and a t-shirt (whatever). We order food, and I'm nervous/awkward for the first 10 min or so, then I step it up and start focusing on game: throwing negs, making wild assumptions instead of 'interviewing' her, doing some kino, seeing compliance from her on a few tests, then starting to really uncover shit about her I never even knew (and opening up a bit on my own side)
--possible IOIs?: laughing a lot/smiling, asking me what I look for in a girlfriend, opening up to tell me about her past, escalating my sexual topics by describing her makeout sessions with other girls, jokingly suggesting that I should get in on a threesome the next time said makeout sessions occur, showing interest in joining an ultimate frisbee league with me, when I mentioned it (yes hella random)

-We part ways because its getting late ('lunch' ended up being almost 3 hrs) but I am a little dazed and don't really 'close' anything, not that I even really know what that would entail at this point.


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