Didn't get the fclose. your opinion why?



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:14 am 
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I am a newbie to the forum, and would like to hear your opinion!
Ok, so a little background....
I was an AFC beta in my earlier years, but since then I have been shedding my skin into an Alpha.
I am still a nice considerate guy, but definately not a doormat and am having good success with new traits. I consider myself a 7.5
I've done pretty well the last two years with women (I am divorced from a 10 year marriage- I'm 3
Day 2's and 3's have gone well, and I am great at rapport, and building comfort (I have been able to be choosy)
and by the third date can usually physically escalate into sex.
Cooking dinner with them at my or her house is my perfect "go to" since it works perfectly for fclose.

Here is my latest...
Met online
HB8
day 1- Good 4 hour coffee date, good IOI's /lots of rapport/goodnight kiss
day 2- ice skating (2 hours) lots of kino and goodnight kiss
day 3- she cooked me dinner at her house (good IOI's candles set, wine, etc)
after dinner, moved to the couch made out, got her bra and shirt off, she was moaning and liked me sucking on her t_ts. Asked her if she would like to go upstairs.
she agreed and mentioned on the way to the doorway she wasn't expecting to be coming up here. (I couldn't tell if she was trying to not look like a slut,
or if it was genuine) I just ignored it.
started making out on her bed, more foreplay, we both had our shirts off only...I pulled her jeans down...got them to her thighs, and she hesitated, sighed and said:
"eh eh..I am just not ready for that right now. I mean I have only known you for a few dates. Sorry, it's not that I don't want to , it is just I would like to give it more
time with us before we go there".
I figure, I hadn't gotten her comfortable enough and acted aloof and figured I can go for the fclose later or on date 4 anyways. So I wanted to act like I was in control and didn't NEED to f__ her anyways and said "that's ok, we can go there when you are ready, I am not the type of guy to push" (I sooo regret saying that...was so stupid to say, since it was my old AFC beta self coming out.) She had good potential for LTR, which is why I hesitated.
It was a little awkward, but we cuddled for a half hour in her bed, kissed some more and then we got dressed and went home.
She still seemed into me as I left.
I played it cool and didn't call or text for three days. My text was.."time for a phone call tonight?"
Didn't hear back from her until she emailed 5 hours later with:
"Thanks for the text today. Hope your week is going well. Listen, I've been thinking about our date on Friday and I have to be honest, something just wasn't there for me. I have to be true to myself and I know what I feel. You deserve everything you want out of a relationship and I do too. I hope there are no hard feelings."
I know it was one of the two reasons below....
A) She was not feeling enough strong sexual chemistry, and that evening was the deciding factor of if it could develop into it. Looking back, she didn't have a hunger response for my kisses, more of just going with the flow. (I can live with this, I can't be everyone's cup of tea)
B) Maybe she didn't like the wuss factor for not attempting to get her pants down a second time that night. Did she want me to be more Alpha, and was disappointed with my "that's ok, we can wait" remark? If so, would this be a strong enough of a deal breaker to stop seeing me, and not want to have sex that night or ever?
I am a little stumped since I have done fclose on day3's four times in a row until her. I am over this broad, but I do have two other great girls (hb7.5 and hb8) set for day 3's this weekend and good potential for fcloses and I don't want to f__k it up with them this time around.
your thoughts?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:53 am 
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For some reason women tend to not give you a second chance after you fail to get past LMR. Some will give you a second chance, but it's not easy to get it. The only answer that I can seem to come up with is that afterwards the girl has time to consider a relationship with you, when she isn't turned on anymore. She just feels negatively while thinking about the relationship, so she decides she isn't interested anymore.

In your case, you should have verbally agreed with her "I know this going a little too fast I usually don't do this" and add on "you're turning me on so much though" if you want. Afterwards, stop what you are currently doing, and move to a different part of her body. The way I think about it, regardless of what the girl is saying to me, all I hear is "I'm not turned on enough yet, keep trying."

So lets say she stops me when I'm slipping my hand down her pants, I pull my hand back, massage her shoulders, play with her breasts for a bit, then my hands wander back down to her legs. Even just having your hand rest on her thigh can turn a girl on immensely, and make her less prone to saying no when you go to touch her vagina. Wash, rinse, and repeat until you're balls deep.

Obviously if she gets up and leaves that a clear indication that she really isn't interested in sex, but keep trying until she does that. Lastly, if she pushes your hand away, don't force it back, that's sexual assault. Just agree and start again on a different part of her body.

For this girl, your best bet is to move on, but contact her in a week or two. She may be interested again then. Don't let this stop you from trying your luck with other girls.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:23 am 
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Thanks Purple smash. That is good advice to try other parts of her bodies. I guess I was gun shy about the "assault". Ultimately, I think my response to her LMR was the deal breaker, since we made it to her bedroom (her willingness was there). She was harder to read than most.


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For some reason women tend to not give you a second chance after you fail to get past LMR. Some will give you a second chance, but it's not easy to get it. The only answer that I can seem to come up with is that afterwards the girl has time to consider a relationship with you, when she isn't turned on anymore. She just feels negatively while thinking about the relationship, so she decides she isn't interested anymore.

In your case, you should have verbally agreed with her "I know this going a little too fast I usually don't do this" and add on "you're turning me on so much though" if you want. Afterwards, stop what you are currently doing, and move to a different part of her body. The way I think about it, regardless of what the girl is saying to me, all I hear is "I'm not turned on enough yet, keep trying."

So lets say she stops me when I'm slipping my hand down her pants, I pull my hand back, massage her shoulders, play with her breasts for a bit, then my hands wander back down to her legs. Even just having your hand rest on her thigh can turn a girl on immensely, and make her less prone to saying no when you go to touch her vagina. Wash, rinse, and repeat until you're balls deep.

Obviously if she gets up and leaves that a clear indication that she really isn't interested in sex, but keep trying until she does that. Lastly, if she pushes your hand away, don't force it back, that's sexual assault. Just agree and start again on a different part of her body.

For this girl, your best bet is to move on, but contact her in a week or two. She may be interested again then. Don't let this stop you from trying your luck with other girls.
Bang on advice!


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