Hi all. Been reading this forum for a few weeks now and it is definitely reaping benefits...

Anyhow I think I will do a more general introduction of myself at another time but here is a more specific problem...

Out clubbing with a friend of mine and I bump into the barmaid at my local (both 21) and to cut a long story short he is on her and I am on her (HB 7 friend). We all go back to mine and again to cut a long story short we are in the living room on the sofa and end up talking and spooning on the sofa... She has her top off but I had no idea what to do to progress from that to FC. What should I have done? (It's easy when you both walk in the house on eachother but as soon as it goes to talking I have no idea how to phase shift).

Now this week meet same girls and we get them home again. Unfortunately we have another friend in tow and we end up sitting in the living room again talking as a 5... I go off to let my friend go home and make him some food (in a right state ) and come back in the living room. She is asleep, I wake her because I got to sleep somewhere too but again, fail to go for it...

What should I do and how should I essentially get rid of these obstacles...

This has happened twice and I will not let it happen a 3rd time...

I have a feeling you see this as a giant step.

Quite simple, just escalate. Start small, then small steps, until close. You can even start small while talking, I just did that this week-end.

To give you an idea, here's a summary of how I escalated.

- I come in, hands on the hips/back, kiss on both cheeks, rub right over the butt when removing hand.

- Starting diner, I go get a plate and while standing next to her, I slip my hand on her back, close to the butt again (notice how you want to stay close to "sexual" areas without actually touching it).

- Later, sit on couch and talk with her friend, she sits next to me (that, really you can't control but it's a good IOI, if she makes her friend sit in between you, you need to build more comfort before thinking about closing). I start by putting my hand on her knee, slowly moving it to her thigh, then inner thigh.

- As we talk, I rub her inner thigh moving closer to her pussy slowly (approx over 10ish minutes). Never actually rub it, just real close with your hand touching it every now and then.

- If her friend leaves, look at her and if she looks back, go in for a kiss, if you get it, start hitting sensitive areas with light touches (back of the ear, neck, inside of elbow etc... check google), if you don't, just pull back, try again later, act as if it doesn't matter.

If at any time, you get LMR, act cool as if it doesn't matter, withdraw from the resisted area and start back. I guarantee that if you had even the slightest bit of attraction, with a technique like this, you are going to close eventually.

Oh, and if the friend leaves, go caveman, seriously, she won't be ready for it and won't know what hit her.

If she's asleep, hit sensible points, it'll wake her up smoothly and once she's up, go in for a kiss -> Caveman.

Right... A little more about myself, I'm 21, not a bad looking chap, good body (i know, modest), on the scale Id rate myself a 7/7.5 on a good day but I've always suffered from shyness stemmed from being a fat guy (21stone!) up until I was 18 and essentially suffering from AA/shyness ever since. In terms of going out up until recently I was on less than £10k a year (happy to say that has over doubled...) so it was a choice of petrol or beer, 21 mpg and £1.30 a litre won out ). I am not too bad when I'm introduced to people, and I am OK at getting KC in the club scene (hmm, girl I met on Thursday just text me asking when we going to have our staring contest... IoI?) but when I get girls home, unless it is literally walking through the door going at it, i am lost at what to do...

You think I should go for another crack at it? I defo know she finds me attractive (made that rather clear; friend even made it rather clear because I was too wasted to see the IoI at one stage, sobered up though).

We have each other on FB and the reason no numbers were exchanged was because of change of contract... I have something of hers she left round which she asked for and I could just give it to her friend or could use it as some sort of excuse to see her when I'm sober... Shame the club ended early but we went to play on some swings (seemed fun at the time ) and had a laugh there before getting a cab home... What do you reckon I should put in the message; I'd genuinely like to see her about sometime but reckon I could have missed the boat two times but know I can keep her "amused" on another night out. Kinda want to apologise for being a bit of a drunken dick but don't want to sound like a needy guy. Hmmm, I am rambling and don't have a clue what to write in the message. Need help!

(new text girl wants me to come out next week...)

1- Don't apologize for being drunk, unless you've done something terrible. Really don't apologize ever, unless it was terrible. That's just my take on it.

2- If you want to see her again, ask her out plainly. Tell her you'd like to see her again and and tell her when you're free... from then on, ball's in her court, don't ask her if she got your text, fb message, voicemail, or anything, she might take 2-3-4 days to come back, that's how they filter AFCs without even knowing it.

3- Go see that text girl, game her. Until you have made it clear with a girl that you are exclusive (which really shouldn't be until you've spent a good amount of time together and SHE has to be the one asking the question).

Once you get to your/their place, it's isn't all that complicated. Just escalate. Start small and slowly move to undoing her belt, etc.

Really, all you need to do is to be touchy. If attraction is there, nothing will stop you. If you get resistance, act as if it didn't happen, go down a level on the escalation and slowly go back to the resistance point.

Don't let a window of opportunity go by, don't be a "nice guy", be a "good guy", you're genuinly good, but you're a man, she's a woman, no shame in making babies, even on first date.

Cheers!

Hmm, me again. For some reason my old account won't work... Admin e-mail address anybody?

Other text girl want's to meet up Thursday night, text girl number 2 want me to take her to dinner on her next day off on the week so things seem to be going OK on those fronts...

But, with the main target (I know its a strange case of one-itis but its not normally something I suffer from, I normally don't give a toss... sometimes not a bad attitude to have I suppose) I basically said I'm going to drop off her stuff Thursday morning (before she has an important exam at Uni).

Here's the thing, I have never asked a girl out properly sober! Would have no idea what to say, how to say it and whether to say it then and there before an important exam or whether to leave it until after the exam in a message or something (I know something about being a nice guy but don't want to fog her brain with shit before an exam, in the same way I wouldn't do it to my mates)...

God, I should find this stuff easy. Hell, talking to girls I ain't interested in is easy but... If I had confidence I was saying the right stuff I would be able to ream it off.

Again, rambling but standing in front of a group of strangers and talking about a subject I know (I mean I just did a 20 minute presentation, with 10 lines of notes, on Electronic Counter Measures!!!) I have no qualms with. I confident I know my stuff and confident it will be right... If you guys give me the right stuff to say I'll be able to come out with it...

P.S. Help so far is easy...

Asking a girl out is easy.

Don't be too casual when asking her out, but don't be too upfront.

My way of asking a girl out : "I'd love to see you this week-end, we should do/see X on X day" or "We should go out for drinks on X evening" or something like that. Don't make it too complicated.

Once you have attraction, all you have to do is maintain that attraction, and that's usually done by showing confidence and non-neediness. Meaning, say what you want to say, ask her out if you feel like it. If she says she's busy, just say something like "Alright, well call me when you're no longer busy and we can set something up then" and leave it at that. Give her 5-7 days before you call/text if she didn't get back at you, and don't mention that she didn't call. (again these are guidelines, adapt to your situation)

Some reading for you, might help you.

http://www.practicalhappiness.com/askin ... right-way/
http://www.practicalhappiness.com/dont- ... g-her-out/
http://www.practicalhappiness.com/how-t ... right-way/
http://www.practicalhappiness.com/how-n ... -girl-out/

Cheers!

Like i said cheers for the advice thus far...bit of a field report Didnt mention last night i successfully implemented some of your couch stuff (its freshers, and ive got the week.booked off work! Played taxi driver tonight). I.slept on a friends sofa and woke up in the early hours to find a girl (a friend of mine who has always been into me but i never really been bothered about) next to me... Atarted a bit of light kino and worked the ensitive spots then asked her to swap sides (she was pushing me off onto the floor!) Then as she straddled i just grabbed her hips and pulled her down onto me, kiss, top off and away. It worked this time but your harshest critique please!

Onto this subject. Like i said im 21 and had 2 proper gfs since i was 16 both lasting 18 months... Seemed easy to ask them though cos we used to hang out all the time so the seeing eachother regularly stuff was there already. Think im going to wait til after her test and ask her through a message (cant guarantee i,ll be sober when i see her so its probably best... Unless you specifically advise otherwise...

You mind me running the message by you first?

Any 3rd party feedback would be great... More advice the better. Its 3.30 here and i got to be up in 2.5 hours to make the lads breakfast and get their drunk arses to train station (nice guy recurring theme here )

hey bro
this is why were here right?
when i got started i was shy
didn't ever think i could "escalate"
its not something somebody can just tell you
One thing i always remember was something Bobby Rio (he's one of my fav's) sent me
Most guys can get lucky
its mainly your job once she's agreed to come home with you not to screw it up
a women wants to sleep with you as badly as you do her at that point
by not going for it your shutting her off
your making her feel stupid
a girl won't go home with a guy who won't make it happen simply because they feel like cheap rejected sluts if you don't
trust me if the girl meets you and goes home with you that same night either she wants to sleep with you or she wants to rob you
this is kinda a thing that you can't read you just have to live
think about this to
if you go for and she turns you down
what have you lost??
not only have you not lost anything but you have made your intentions very clear to her
if she still talks to you after you have gone for it she wants can't expect to hang out with you and you not go for it again
just stay with it

Good advice... Too late to salvage this one then...

I don't mind helping you out, but I am not very good at text/phone game. Maybe others could help.

IMHO, whatever you write/say, as long as it's not something like "I really like you" or "would you go out with me?", doesn't really matter. My texts are usually somewhere along the lines of "Hey, how you doing?" "Any plans for the week-end?" "There's this new sushi place I want to check out, we should go!"

Also, to me, it's never too late, I mean, unless you want her to be a friend (trust me, you don't want that), just treat every meet as a new game, slowly escalate and go for it. If she refuses, move on to new game.

Also, I keep saying this, kissing is nothing to a girl, go for a lay. If you were able to kiss, escalate further. Start putting your hand slightly under her shirt, start trying to get to her butt within the pants slowly. Then try to push further, if she resists, pull back and slowly work back to it. (I usually do all this while kissing so she has her mind busy, but subconsiouly she knows you're diving).

Then proceed to slowly pulling her shirt up, sub her stomach, move higher, closer to the boobs over/under shirt. Just don't be too direct, slowly work your way. Try to assume sexual position while doing all this. Sometimes girls will be so aroused that you can just go caveman, you have to feel these things.

It seems you're getting there, just keep on working until it becomes natural and once it does it's usually a 100% lay when you can get the kiss.

Cheers!

Well im off out tonight (freshers ) , got to take her stuff back in the morning. See how it goes (going to be hanging out of my arse). Any text game pros i can pm on here...

Also got dinner with an old work friend of mine i aint seen in 2 yrs who just broke up with bf. Rebound lay

Update...

Weird morning. Basically i overslept (hungover as fuck) and was in a rush. I am a ta soldier (she had no clue, confusedvthe hell out of her) and am currently waiting in barracks to do another weAPOns course. In the car i notice i got glitter and some form of make up on my face and my shirt completely creased (ie, "you stupid fuk, you aint fit to walk let alone shoot u prick" etc from my NCO when i get in....)

I turn up on her door step, half in civvies n half uniform "hey, look its probably the most random request for a while but will you swap your nucklace for baby wipes and 2 minutes with an iron?". She lets me in and obliges. I was genuinely in a 5 minute rush but she seemed open and laughed at my jokes and got the stuff off my face....

I.fear this unusual encounter may make me look weird but we had a laugh for the short time i was there, so maybe it could have built rapport and could be used to some advantage in text game, was certainly different!