Hey guys, this will be my first post in this forum and i like what im reading here so far. I discovered the pua community through a friend few months ago after a bad breakup and have now decided to buckle down and get serious about it.

So i'm about to enter college as a freshman this fall, and am really trying to step up my game before then. This past weekend, i got a taste of things when i attended my orientation, and had a few questions about my resulting situation. I really made an effort to talk to as many girls as possible while there, and although i did not approach them with the goal of picking up, i could feel my approach anxiety fading throughout the day . That night, i was on a bus with some friends and a hb8 and a hb9.5 walked on. I struck up a conversation with them about orientation, and after a while they told me that they were about to head off to a party and asked if i wanted to come, an invitation i would have to be crazy not to accept.

So i then found myself at a mini-frat party, which was really fun. I have not developed any full routines yet, so instead of using canned material, i did my best to tease and flirt with the 9.5 while I was there. Unfortunately, when i thought i was gold one of the guys in the frat that was hosting the party (i assume this is a massive dhv) started obviously hitting on her and thirty minutes later they dissappeared into his bedroom for about 15 minutes. This really pissed me off because his game sucked, he was totally nice to her the whole time.

Later that night, the hb 9.5 told me that she was leaving the party, but would be back soon. She claimed that since she and the hb8 told me they would help me find my way back if i drank too much that night, she would give me her number. She came back to the party and i continued doing my best to flirt with her, and then we said our goodbyes.

Also at the party was a hb 8.5, i treated her the same way i treated the 9.5, and i got her number so we could "keep in touch".

It may sound great, but here is my dilemma; i worry that i am in the 'friend zone' with both of these girls, even though i did my best to build attraction (im still a beginner). Also, even though i have their numbers, i cannot see them until we all go to college in about a month, so i am not sure what to do between now and then, any advice would be awesome. Finally, i was wondering, do you all think it would be a bad idea for me to add them on facebook?

I'll also add that i got a # from a 7 and i'm positive she digs me, but i have higher standards than that.

Go easy on me guys! im still very new to all this

Honestly bud, you sound like a natural and you're doing great.

As for your situation there's not much you can do. I highly doubt the frat guy hooked up with HB9 if he was in the room with her for 15 mins, so you should be fine. She prob rejected him in there. They probably did make out though, and he prob tried to get with her at which point she said no and they left the room. This is why the stage was open for you to talk to her afterwards...

My tip for you on college game is to GET IN THE friendzone with a few. I know that sounds counter-intuitive, but being friends with them guarantees you can get with their friends regularly.

The difference between getting laid and making out/#closing in college (from my experience atleast) is the difference between being a random guy and a friend of a friend.

As for texting them, I think that would be hard to keep up a conversation with them since you only met them one night. Theres only so much you could talk to them about. I think you should add them on facebook, and once move in comes up you can facebook chat them and make plans to hang out. Both you and her are going to college, and you guys don't know many people. It won't be creepy in this particular situation, I believe.

General tip for college game:
- Don't black out/drink a lot. Its a huge mistake most guys make .. they think the drunker they are, the easier it is for them to get laid and its the opposite of true.

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Yo dude. Good work so far!

Having already graduated college, I have to say that a lot of the pua material doesn't necessarily apply to college. This is because pua material focuses on talking to lots of girls and finding ways to display high value quickly after being anonymous. Colleges are enclosed areas with limited number of girls, and reputations stick with you. If you go up to every girl on campus with some cheesy canned opener and get blown out, you can easily become "that dude," and every girl knows about you. Also, in college you have opportunities to show high value before making an approach. You can be in a solid frat, team or some other group that displays your value without you saying a word. Even in class, you get the opportunity to be really smart or funny or whatever before talking directly to any girls. In college, more than anywhere else, if you develop solid inner game and make the following years amazing, the girls will come. I can promise you that.

Also, don't be afraid of getting in the friend zone with anyone in college, especially with 9.5s. This is college...it's the best time of your life and these people can become the best friends of your life. Be open for anything, even if it's a hot girl you get along with that just wants to go out and party with you. Trust me, inevitably something could happen between you two, or inevitably she'll introduce you to friends who will be interested. Having a 9.5 hanging with you for the first month of college can do wonders to your reputation even if nothing happens with her. Just don't let her turn you into a chump. Stay strong, be a cool guy, and having her around will pay off in one way or another.

Also, don't make the huge mistake that so many early pua's do (I did this...alot): Don't mistake niceness for chumpness. That dude had her in a bedroom alone for 15 minutes, and you have no idea what went on. They might've hooked up. She might really like him and might be texting him right now. The fact that he got her alone while being nice and you didn't should show something about the situation. Remember, negs are only used to disarm a girl who thinks she's above you, but once a girl is attracted to you being nice and playful are good things. And if a girl already sees you having higher value (like by going to your cool party...), then being nice could be perfectly fine. She probably already thought this guy was cool, and his being nice was probably the right move. Chumpness is being needy or ingratiating or trying to impress the girl, and that's what you can't do.

Hope this helps! And hit the books, dude. College is a blast, and you're already approaching it the right way!

i'm in the same position as you in that i'm going to uni or "college" in september.. i think you're going to do great but need to chill out. having been to summer camps almost every year as a teen and gone traveling in australia this last year i can tell you one thing- trying too hard is never getting you anywhere- unless you're just there to practice, and the biggest part of practice is failing right?

don't take PU too seriously in uni- you'll end up being "that guy" who tries to hard. the college environment is ALL ABOUT social proof- kinda like high school but not as clique filled. you'll be better off as a person, as an experience, and probably be better of getting attractive girls by making FRIENDS with attractive girls- although you still have to have a natural flirty vibe with them.

i always make sure to do something i call "sowing seeds" during the first couple of days at a new place- this is SOOOO important. here's the fact: the first couple of days are the most important socially. sowing seeds is simple- chat to and naturally "be friendly" with (although girls tend to interpret me being friendly as flirting so adjust your behaviour accordingly) every girl you can.. why? because everyone you chat to during the first couple of days becomes a potential friend since noone knows anyone yet and social groups haven't formed- well make sure YOU create them. once you've chatted to a lot of girls- when you run into them again you suddenly have significant "previous" with them, even if you just chatted for 10-20 seconds. soon you're introducing females to each other, and girls you get along with best will emerge into a group that YOU'VE put together- then it's a simple matter of making sure you keep demonstrating value for however long it takes for the group to stick. a huge bonus to this is that you will literally have the pick of the girls in the group, and an even bigger bonus is that you'll have an endless line of girls you'll be introduced to by people in your group. everyone in college will see you with all these girls and you'll very quickly gain a mercurial reputation. girls you want will become SO MUCH EASIER to pull because you're invincible- you're allowed to say anything and you can't come off as creepy; how can you when you've got so many female friends? plus it gives you the ability, when a girl is hesitant, to go "ok, my friends are starting to look jealous i better get back to them"- something mystery calls the take-away, and inevitably she's later back after a few shots asking to have a few puffs off your cigarette or something lame like that (which is code for "IT IS ON!")

also i wouldn't worry about your frat party experience- as "not even a freshman yet" you did well, but inevitably your social proof is going to be inadequate without incredibly solid game. although personally- i'm not going to worry about "working" on it until after college where it becomes more relevant. just make sure you're the one with social proof (which is easy if you start from day one very quickly) and you'll be golden.

Thanks for all the informative responses guys. I believe that i should add a couple of details before i go any further. First, my goal for college is not to hook up with as many girls as possible, it is to find an amazing girlfriend. Therefore, i have no problem being in the friend zone with some hbs, i am just trying to figure out what i am doing wrong so i can improve my game. Second, I am going to a rather large state school with thousands of people in it.

Since there are so many people at my school, can I still gain a schoolwide reputation as "that guy" who tries too hard or "that guy" who knows a ton of girls? I am very confused now because it seems that you all are telling me to abandon much that i have taught myself over the past couple of months. I figured that college would be a young pua's paradise and that i could simply use night-game at parties and daygame everywhere else. It would be really helpful if someone could give me a list of pua material/practices that i should and should not use in college.

Also, @themagicalhindu, you suggest that i should facebook chat them before move in day even though i have their numbers, why is this? (anyone feel free to give your input on this question)

Finally, i should probably add that i am definitely not a natural haha, i was a total wussbag a few months ago and am just now starting to feel like more than an afc. (not to say i dont have confidence)

Yeah, dude. Sorry, but college is way diff from PUA. I'll go a bit in depth as to why:

The aim of pua is to combat a few problems with attracting and catching girls out in the world. Basically, the point of PUA is to show you're of high value, that you are accustomed to being with beautiful girls, that you're worth investing, fun, etc. That's really hard when you meet a girl at a random bar in a random city. Most of what you learn in the forum simply combats that anonymity and proves you are an attractive guy worth investing in.

But, college is different because it's a closed system. College -- yes, every college -- will have built in ways to show value. Whether it's fair or not, certain athletes and frats are always at the top and certain band geeks and computer science nerds at the bottom (...just kidding, you're only at the bottom if YOU don't go out and YOU consider yourself low value). I'd say 90% of the time, these associations will show value and cause attraction moreso than game can.

And let me give it to you straight: Every college has a limited number of bars, girls, frats, sororities, etc. Word does travel, and your reputation can follow you pretty quickly if you wear a cowboy hat and do magic to every girl on campus. That's why having hb10 friends can be sick and why playing it cool works out really well in the long-run. In a bar, if you don't make a strong impression she'll forget about you and never see you again; in college, you're bound to run into a girl frequently.

My advice: If you really want to land a solid girl -- whether it's 1 or 101 girls -- join the best frat or best sports team you can. Become friends with the hottest girls you can find, and be sociable and fun so that they'll always want to hang out with you. After you lock those in, the girls and frat will do the work bringing girls to YOU, and you can play it cool for 4 years.

So are you saying if i see a hb around campus i can't use what i have learned and approach her? .....laaame

Also, i should add that i messaged the hb8.5 after adding her on facebook and said "now you can stalk me on facebook too" (i joked her about that during orientation because we kept running into each other)

apparently she didn't get it because she responded "ohh you think it was stalking that i showed up at the same party! haha well ok."

oh well....not sure whether i should clarify my intended joke or leave it at that, i suppose it doesn't matter too much anyway

You can absolutely talk to and approach a ton of girls. Talk to as many people as possible for that matter. Just be casual about it and fun. Don't get too uptight about negging or showing game or using (often ridiculous) packaged material; just have a ton of fun and look to have as many new experiences as possible. Ask people about where they're fun, if they were cool in hs, etc.

It sounds like the girl responded positively, man. Just keep in touch casually and don't let her forget about you. Then, once you get to college, find out about and party and invite her or even have her meet up with you to get some food.

Good luck. College is a blast!

Clarify and start a conversation so she'll remember you. Then text them when you move in (I said facebook chat earlier just because we were talking about a facebook add.. a phone call works too. Actually call > text I would say)

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