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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:23 pm 
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One of my favorite openers to do is super easy and works anywhere. you can do it with a group of women or just one girl.

all you do is go up to a girl and say. (i hate the term PUA so im not gonna use it)

Male:Excuse me, can i ask you (ladies) a question?
Female(s):yeah sure.
Male:Well...Im trying to overcome my shyness and its my goal to go up to 5 women today and ask them what it takes to feel attracted to a man Do you prefer it when guys try to BUY your attention with gifts and food, or do you prefer it when a guy teases you, makes fun, makes you laugh, and keeps you guessing about what's going to come next?
Female(s):i like it when guys blah blah blah

after that you can go into conversation if the target seems interested.

if its a group of girls ask them their names and start a conversation and after a few minutes say "hey can i borrow *targets name* for a minute? i promise to bring her back". take her aside and try and say something cocky/funny and bust her balls, from there just say "hey are you single? cause i wouldnt mind taking you out for a cup of something delicious and stimulating conversation.." if youve charmed her enough then she'll say "oh yeah thatd be great".

from there you can proceed to get her "digits". the great thing about this opener is that its very low risk. when you approach and ask them that question they dont get that vibe like your every other guy just lookin for a piece, it makes you seem genuine.

the great thing for me was while this was not only a great way to get a girls number but a great way to overcome your shyness.

you can set your own goals with this opener to help you overcome your fear! for example, the first time you use this opener you might just ask the question and get out, and you can say to yourself "okay that wasnt so hard, next time i will try and start up a conversation with her/them" and eventually you will have longer and better conversations and hopefully you will get a number eventually.

well thats just one of my favorites, lemme know what you think!


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if that works for you go ahead, i would never admit to any AA or shyness

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One of my favorite openers to do is super easy and works anywhere. you can do it with a group of women or just one girl.

all you do is go up to a girl and say. (i hate the term PUA so im not gonna use it)

Male:Excuse me, can i ask you (ladies) a question?
Female(s):yeah sure.
Male:Well...Im trying to overcome my shyness and its my goal to go up to 5 women today and ask them what it takes to feel attracted to a man Do you prefer it when guys try to BUY your attention with gifts and food, or do you prefer it when a guy teases you, makes fun, makes you laugh, and keeps you guessing about what's going to come next?
Female(s):i like it when guys blah blah blah

after that you can go into conversation if the target seems interested.

if its a group of girls ask them their names and start a conversation and after a few minutes say "hey can i borrow *targets name* for a minute? i promise to bring her back". take her aside and try and say something cocky/funny and bust her balls, from there just say "hey are you single? cause i wouldnt mind taking you out for a cup of something delicious and stimulating conversation.." if youve charmed her enough then she'll say "oh yeah thatd be great".

from there you can proceed to get her "digits". the great thing about this opener is that its very low risk. when you approach and ask them that question they dont get that vibe like your every other guy just lookin for a piece, it makes you seem genuine.
I'd never say "excuse me" nor "i'm trying to overcome my shyness" They might just talk to you or notice you just because they pity you. Even though this is supposed to overcome shyness...it is not really the right way and it appears that one would end up in the ljbf zone.

just my .02 cents


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I think this is something that David D. actually suggested doing in one
of his newsletters or something.

Though, I'm thinking he also suggested putting a cocky/funny tone to
it. As-if to say, "I may say I'm shy, but my voice tone and body
language say otherwise"

If I run across that again, I'll take note and report back.

All-in-all, for those of us just starting out, this may be an appropriate
opener. It will get you used to talking to women, you'll get qualitative
feedback you can work with and it's probably the most honest thing
you can say.

If that opener does what I said, it has served its purpose and you
definitely need to move up to a less "needy" opener.

Good for you, making this stuff happen for you!


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You should never ask for anything from someone you are just approaching, because it is easy to say no. You tell them you want their opinion, or need it, or anything along those lines, but never ask for anything.

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You should never ask for anything from someone you are just approaching, because it is easy to say no. You tell them you want their opinion, or need it, or anything along those lines, but never ask for anything.
i guess you have a point.

but then again i wouldnt want to ask a girl who is that rude on a date.. its just a question.


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You should never ask for anything from someone you are just approaching, because it is easy to say no. You tell them you want their opinion, or need it, or anything along those lines, but never ask for anything.
i guess you have a point.

but then again i wouldnt want to ask a girl who is that rude on a date.. its just a question.
Its not just a question. Nothing is ever just anything when it comes to human interaction. If you are perceptive enough, you can learn all sorts of things from every action and every word used in a sentence. Sure tone carries more, but even certain words can cause a conflict in someone's brain that makes them replay it over and over again and start to imagine all sorts of hidden meanings. Yes or no questions are very similar in the automatic responses it can cause. If you approach using the wrong body language, say you came in too direct, or stood too close, or in a posture that felt threatening, or she just doesn't like the look of you, she has a good chance to say no, or even if she doesn't she will probably not be as interested as if you had just said you needed her help, because now she feels compelled to help you. Certain words and phrases trigger automatic responses from people and "I need your help" is one of those. So is, "I could use your opinion" because now they have an opportunity to express their opinion and as the saying goes, "opinions are like assholes, everybody has one," so they are going to want to give it to you.

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I'm really proud of you, man. Unlike some, you have actually discovered an opener that works best for you. Good job!

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I think Rye Lee has some really valid points. You are also DLV by saying your shy...you want to be the man at the bar...nothing effects you, you own that place. That is the mental state you want to be radiating. If you want to know which opener i used a lot , and it worked everytime and it's completely unthreatening was the "My roommate is dating this girl, she is pissed because he is still friends with his ex...how do you guys feel about that?" If you throw a time restraint in there, and get comfortable asking something along those lines, i had a lot of success with it. you also can get an idea of what kind of girl they are. Alright brotha, good luck and let me know if u end up using it and how you like it...

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rye lee is right. try to stick with open ended statements not questions.

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Napes. The question (do girls like it when, blah, blah blah,) is good but you shouldn't start off with the social shyness thing. Figure out another way to bring that up. Try making fun of another guys who is buying girls drinks. It will make the girls think that you are on their team and you're in!


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