Well, maybe it's not new, but it is certainly one I've learned the hard way! If a woman opens you, but she isnt very attractive, or she is borderline "fuckable", then you need to make a decision IMMEDIATELY as to how you want to proceed and GO WITH IT!

This happened to me tonite; I was sitting at the bar, alone, and this HB6 sits in the stool next to me. She starts telling me her life story - all about her kids, her divorce, her job, education, etc... All the while, I'm trying to decide if I really want to game this girl. She's about 40 - 50 lbs overwieght, but she does have a pretty face, and hey - she opened me, so that's a big plus in my book too! So I'm keeping the conversation going, just to decide how far I want to take this. She was talking about her devotion to her children as if she deserved a medal for being a good Mom. Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against parents being good parents, but how much congradulations do you really deserve doing something you're expected to do in the first place? I show up to work every day, do I deserve a medal for it? NO! I'm expected to do that! Only after she told me about all her drama and baggage, did she bother to give me her name. I thought about asking her name beforehand, but instead chose to wait to see if she asked for mine first, to guage if whether she was into me or not.

There was also another guy there, sitting on the other side of her at the bar sort of competing with me for her attention. He looked quite a bit older than me and his body language suggested he was a total AFC, like me, but I'm pretty sure I came off as a more casual and carefree kinda guy. She talked with both of us for quite a while. She left to go to the bathroom - or so I thought, then he left a minute or so later and that was the last I saw of either of them. I dont know if they left together or what.

From what I gathered of what she told me, it seemed as if she was looking for a serious LTR. Which is what I'm looking for also, but all her baggage and drama turned me off. However, i find myself regretting not taking things farther with her, just to see how far I could have gotten.

So now, I'm kind of kicking myself for not gaming her the way I should have.

She was drunk, and you can't game drunk girl.
It's very hard because her focus is very on low level.

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next time, don't wait for ioi's, a girl approaches and opens you, is like the highest form of approach invite, you want to know if she is into you, qualify her, begin escalating/compliance testing, sounds like she was controlling the coversation and you were just along for the ride, qualify, show interest, and ask her to go home with you when it seems like it is on and her buying tempature is high (she is happy)

if you never get the feeling it is on, look for the following, (the approach invite pretty much should have been a given but i digress) she is touching her hair around you often, she is figiting around, she is blushing, she is starting at you intensely, she keeps smileing while looking at you, she keeps laughing for no reason (not after you joke with her just for no reason), she keeps touching you or trys to touch you, she re-initiates conversation when you kill it (back to the approach invite you didn't even initiate in the 1st place), she keeps licking her lips and and looking down at your lips or your pants,

all of these things are pretty good signs that this night is going to be easy for you, but they are absolutely not needed, physical escalation/compliance testing/qualification will give you all the answers you need, asking a girl to go home with you should be a thing of persistance, and try to sell your home to her (play it up), pulling her home should be attempted multiple times, at least 3, sometimes i will ask about 10 times before moving on, but try not to seem needy, just conversation, time passes, OMG MAKE SPAGETTI AT MY HOUSE?, (no). ok, conversation, pump BT, OMG , COME TO MY MANSION I WANT TO SHOW YOU MY FERRARI COLLECTION, VROOM VROOM FERRARO!!! ,(no) , ok, conversation, pump BT, be more sexual, OMG LETS GO TO THE AMAZING AFTERPARTY AT CLUB PUMPINGTON, GONNA BE SICK, THEY HAVE DRINKS AND A LOUNGE! (water and a couch), (NO), conversation , pump BT, ALLRIGHT BUT SERIOUSLY LETS GO HAVE SEX AT MY HOUSE,


the above is just sort of an example, persistance wont allways work, but it has worked in the past, so be persistant

Well, I found myself in the same situation tonite, and guess what - I didnt take my own advice! I walk into the bar, but it's kinda early, so I start out slow. I'll drink two beers, then a diet soda - just to help keep my mind sharp just in case something like this happens again: swinger-game-vt98169.html?highlight=

Another HB6 in a different bar. I hesitate, not sure if I really want to approach this girl, then some other dude jumps in and takes advantage. And just like before, I regret not doing it before he did!

It was kind of a weird night. Like I said, I was taking my time drinking, but by the time all the hotties showed up, I was still too sober to work up the courage to talk to them. And by the time I got enough beer in me to actually approach a girl, I felt that after all the time I spent there - that all the women would just think that I was a total fake and that it took me so many drinks to work up the courage to talk to them. So I kinda disqualified myself in that regard. But I did redeem myself in one respect...

I overheard the HB6 talking to that one guy about how she used to work in that same bar back in '03 - '04. And I used to attend that bar back then, but I didnt remember her - so that gave me an excuse to finally approach her and ask her about those times. We talked for quite a while about all kinds of stuff. There was no magic or anything, she went home alone, as did I. But realized that I definetely need to re-evaluate the way I do my bar game. This night proved to me that an ugly, social guy will get a lot further than an attractive, shy guy. I'm no Brad Pitt by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm pretty sure I was above average considering all my competition tonight. There were these HB8s and HB9s all over these old, drunk, loud, ugly dudes - and then there was me, not nearly as old, ugly, drunk or loud - and I was ALONE!