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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:38 pm 
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• Opener: Did you guys see the fight outside? Follow up with a story to DHV myself.
o I can't stay long because my friend is waiting, but I went out in London last Easter and there was a huge fight where a guy was left helpless and it was up to me to call for an ambulance so I did. What would you have done? (I actually did go out in London but no fight happened. Had to make it interesting!).
o Try ESP trick. Think of a number between 1 and 4 (hint: it’s almost always 3), tell a story, and then tell her it was 3. If it’s not 3 then claim ESP doesn’t work?
- Look for IOIs and phase shift
o Isolate the target. Ask if she wants to sit down.
o Perhaps use the Cube routine (need to look at this a little more though).
- Look at her hands..."interesting" or "you have manly hands" neg
- Kino escalate. Play the trust game. Her hands on my shoulders, mine on her hips. "Look at my eyes" and then "look at my lips". What does this do though?
o Ask her on a scale of 1-10 how good a kisser she is. Let’s find out.
o Kiss-close.

Thoughts guys? I'm totally new to this, but just devised this routine myself and would like your thoughts and opinions. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:45 am 
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The general structure is fine, but of course this isn't really an opener. You've laid out the plan for an entire sarge! When you start going into the field on a regular basis, one thing you'll discover is that things rarely go according to plan. You'll have to innovate and improvise quite significantly. You'll have to deal with AMOGs, external interrupts, and a million other nuisances. The routines you want to use are famous and well-established by this point, but just remember that you might have to vary the way you deliver them -- or even the order in which you deliver them. Experience comprises illusions lost rather than wisdom gained, as an old saying goes. I wish every sarge could be as smooth as the one you've outlined here, but once you keep doing this a few times, you come to realize things are a bit more complicated. So get out there, make a million mistakes, and sarge like hell! Then come tell us what you learned.


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Oh yeah, my routine is definitely too rigid. I need to test it out and see where I go wrong and improve it. What would you suggest as a good opener then?


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I see a lot of people here looking for the perfect opener, or even worse, claiming they have found the perfect opener. From what I have learned, there is no 'perfect' opener. It really depends a lot on the situation you are into. If you're standing in a club and a girl makes eye contact with you, it would be stupid to ask for an opinion on what your mate should do in a random situation.
There are a lot of books out there where you can find a lot of different openers. Apply an opener which is suitable for the situation you are in.

Personally, it kind of depends on my mood (and the girl ofc) whether I use a direct or indirect opener. Both work fine if you deliver them well, trust me.
For 'daygame' you should ask someone else, as I am not really into that. Occasionally I start talking to a girl on the street, but that is only after approximately 2 seconds of eye contact.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:16 pm 
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Oh yeah, my routine is definitely too rigid. I need to test it out and see where I go wrong and improve it. What would you suggest as a good opener then?
Your opener is fine.

"Did you guys see the fight outside" (lowers their defenses, piques their curiosity)

From here tell the story about how the fight went down. Keep it short but detailed.

That's all your opener is. Just a way to get in and start a conversation without being creepy or using the same boring line that 10 other guys used before you.

From here you can go into your routine which you have laid out. As someone else said, routines never go as planned so stay on your toes and keep things flowing. If you see an opportunity present itself then jump on it, if not don't force it. It will just come off as you trying and you want it to seem natural.


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I see a lot of people here looking for the perfect opener, or even worse, claiming they have found the perfect opener. From what I have learned, there is no 'perfect' opener. It really depends a lot on the situation you are into. If you're standing in a club and a girl makes eye contact with you, it would be stupid to ask for an opinion on what your mate should do in a random situation.
There are a lot of books out there where you can find a lot of different openers. Apply an opener which is suitable for the situation you are in.

Personally, it kind of depends on my mood (and the girl ofc) whether I use a direct or indirect opener. Both work fine if you deliver them well, trust me.
For 'daygame' you should ask someone else, as I am not really into that. Occasionally I start talking to a girl on the street, but that is only after approximately 2 seconds of eye contact.
Oh I agree with pretty much everything here. I don't think there's a perfect opener either. And yes, the routines you choose should fit your particular social circumstances. What I think is more effective, however, is to learn several routines very well and then to apply them systematically while sarging. I doubt that it's too helpful to just list the routines you're going to use in any sarge, largely because there's too much uncertainty.


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