okay so ive only just started getting into this p.u.a stuff and ive tried to come up with a routine i think might work but i struggle with some of the aspects so i thought i'd post it up here so that i can get some advice from the pro's cheers

me: girls, quick question, how do you know when your attracted to someone?

girls: bla, bla, bla, you can just feel it, bla, bla

me: yeh, i wanted to get a female opinion on the matter because i always thought it was when you sort of get butterflies in your stomach, like when they walk into the room, you suddenly feel these butterflies and as the night goes on the and more and more you become attracted the higher these butterflies rise (gesture with hand rising, gesture anchoring), is that the same with you girls?

(start to shotgun neg the target)

girls: yeh thats the same bla bla bla, (cut them off)

me: its incredible the way your mind works and the way that it gives you these little signals sub-consiesly, ive actually been doing this phycology course and theres a really interesting new game you can play to find out alot about yourself, its called the cube, i can only stay a minute but ive got time if you'd like to have a go?

girls: yeh okay (ideally now is when you would begin to start with the DHV on the target, and you want to do the game with the target)

Me: (carry out the cube routine posted on youtube, niel strauss does a version i think)

any ideas on how to include more kino escalation, possibly lead to kiss or number close?

Honestly, I feel it is very flawed... You just read The Game huh? Very good book. You can get a lot of great ideas from the book, but unless you put it all in the right order, you'll fail. If you haven't read The Game, you should. It's by Neil Strauss, a name you seem to be familiar with already.

Although both of the routines you have mentioned work, you have to use them in the right situation. I personally feel that it's bad to use the butterfly routine as an opener. I would probably use it after I've isolated a target. Pull this on a group of girls and it may work as a disadvantage. You start talking about the sub-conscience out of the blue and you may come across as a weirdo.

Same goes for the Cube. It's best to use this after you've isolated. Or could be even better if you were to semi-isolate with someone who isn't the target. You play the cube game with a girl you aren't trying to get and the target will become interested and want you to do her next. Of course you refuse and change the subject, but now you have her on the hook.

Either way, I'd go with something else as an opener and I think the girl should be showing some type of interest before you run the cube because it is a little time consuming.

If your following MM or style's game which basically are they same, I would use canned material that are out there already. That is if your new. They have proven to work so there you go. It will cut down your work.

Once you start getting better, then come up with your own material. Somethings, you will come with your own material when your sarging.