need your help guys

i went out the other night, and im very new to this. i was practising my openers at a club and i kept notising that they didnt hear me, so, easly fixed, talk louder.

the problem came when i couldnt hear them.

what do i do?

i know im not supposed to 'peck'. and i also know that sometimes it doesnt matter what they say you just keep going with your opener, but what about the times when it does.

also i felt like when i could hear them, i wasnt fully engaged in the conversation, even though i started it. lol

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LOL as I just replied to another post 1 min ago, try these, work great. Also DON't LEAN IN!

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Sometimes rules need to be broken, If they can't hear you, you can't game them. Simple as that. It it totally ok to lean in when you speak to a girl when it is too loud.

But when she is speaking to you, point at your ear in a way to suggest that you can't hear her and make her lean in to you when she talks. This take some of the neediness away. Eventually get her to lean in when you are talking to her aswell so she looks like the one gaming you.

Long openers are totally shit for clubs as shouting a loud opener means shes likely to not hear most of what you say as its so long.

Club game is a weakness of mine and would love to master it. I have no idea how to open in this environment.

good video warped mindless

but say i open a set and the target responds she isnt gonna let me just grab her and move her to where i want her, and especially if her friends are there.

Big limiting belief you have there. Women are submissive. I have no problems doing this and many, many other guys dont either.

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