I've seen a good amount of attactive 8's and so on that I havent opened because it seems they are out with there father/grandfather/mother. There is a chance they may just be friends and not related but usually you can tell.

My question is ...... is there a succesful way to open a set like this. Say girl with mother? Without sounding like your comming off on the girl... Negs could seem mean and the mother could take offense to it.

I DID open one 2 set of a mother/daugther after getting some EYE STARRING ioi's from the daughter. It looking like they were buying stuff for cookies so I opened with something on that and it went on for a little bit but theres no way I could have considered building attraction in front of a parent.

Are these possible?

Thanks

Your best bet is to entertain both parent and HB. If it's at a bar (Or any place with seating where you can also sit down or steal one of their chairs) simply walk by and ask if they'd like to see a magic trick, you're an amateur magician and want to practice and real world folks (You need to know a magic trick for this one. Any will do). Now simply do the trick and ask their opinions on it. Keep an eye out for any IOI's from the HB. Next isolate the HB from parent. Few ways to go about this. Asking for the HB's help carrying items (Beer bottles for another trick ect). Once HB's out of range you're home free to close the deal. Get number and say your friends are calling you back.

Of course this is the MM. Hope it helps.

I find as long as the parent isn't a prude or overly protective, then you just treat them like any obstacle and win them over first. If its an attractive mom, then you can flirt with her some to win her over and also make the target jealous. Then you just lead the target away by asking their opinion on something and leading them with body language (by turning your body you get them to reposition with their back to their parent) then you with that extra bit of privacy you can act a bit conspiritorial with her because I'm sure you know that feeling of "OMG I'm at the mall with my mom, please save me!" that people get when a friend comes up even if you get along great with your parents. Now that you are isolated you can just build a bit more attraction and comfort and close pretty quickly, because you've go the implied time constraint of the parent about to interupt you at any moment and they don't want to have them watching while they give their number, so you might be able to number close within 5 minutes or less of meeting the set.

thanks guys.... ryan i could definatly see how they would be more quick to give there phone number over in these situations.....

Heres something....

I only know a few simple magic tricks... after I show these I could ask the HB to help me prepar my next one by building the parents suspense and pertend like the HB is my magic helper to show the parent..... Then when were away go into routines... number close .... would it be bad to get her away from the parent and say... i dont actually have another trick i just wanted to get to talk to you alone... or is this to AFC?

Depends on how you say it. If you've read The Game, then you will remember the chapter where Mystery picks up a girl in a club using a bunch of magic tricks, then once he isolates her, he tells her that it was all just tricks and not real magic and he did it all just to talk to her (that's summed up of course, he puts it much smoother than that).

And again, my name is not Ryan it is Rye Lee.

ah sorry for the name confusion... yes i do actually remember that ...... ill have to try it out and see how it works ... thanks