I borrowed a barbell from a girl who had been giving my iois (but who I didn't speak to before) and after letting me have it for a set she said: "shouldn''t you be lifting something heavier?" (A neg)

I said: "I start with this" to which she replied "I was just kidding" Then when I gave it back to her I said "there you go, smart alec".

My answer wasn't the best because it looked like I was qualifying/justifying. I should have said something else like "I don't recall asking you for fitness advice" with a smile of course.

But anyway, sexual tension was created, so the game is on! How would you suggest I re-open her? I ws thinking of saying "so are you always such a smartass or did it just come out like that"

But that makes it look like I was affected what she said, particularly if I ask her a few days later, it looks like I was thinking about it all this time. Any suggestions/critiques?

She is right. Doing a set of the same weight as her is a major DLV. First of all, the gym is not an easy place to pick up girls. The gym is usually full of alpha males with a very unfavourable male:female ratio. If you have a good body and you're extremely confident, then this could work. However, if you're anywhere around the average body type, I wouldn't advise doing what you did.

How do you figure sexual tension was created?

I'm not trying to be negative man, just trying to help you out.

No offense taken man, I appreciate it.

Well sexual tension existed from before. This girl is one of the prettier ones that come to the gym, so everybody talks to her, looks at her, etc. but my body language was very good and I did not project and she did notice this on a number of occasions. I believe that is why she opened me.

And sexual tension was created when she negged me. That is one of hte benefits of negs anyway, but this time it was the other way around. So now I can easily come back with more negs, calling her a smartass, etc.

I was thinking of starting with a personality routine (hey let me show you something) and then concluding: "no wonder you are such a smartass."

And I do not believe that using the same weight as her is a DLV. I start with low weights and I increase. My lowest may be her highest.

And my body is pretty good. I'm tall and relatively well built.

my opinion is, go right to the push pull phase, all you gotta do is start a small conversation with her, something interest, go up to her and tell her, then go back to ur exercise and she'll deff come after you. Then start kino and push pull at the same time, don't fall back into the category of giving her the same attention everyone does or you'll lose your alpha male status, remember, gotta be unique and do what everyone else doesn't, she may even just be testing you to see if she can get you to be like everyone else to her, this is where you come and show her you've got women of beauty in your life, and remind her through negs that she really isn't that good, let her come after you, NEVER do anything that demonstrates lower value to her AKA keep that body language steady as a rock, never ask, it's your reality, bla bla bla. Make it look like she's trying to get something and use that or some joke for her to give you your number, then make some joke like "hmmm , damn.. i can't believe this" SHE:"what?" "your hair is black... *touches hair*" do this with interesting tone and playful so she is intrigued, SHE: "So? lol what do you meannn" you: "you're the 4th girl with black hair that i meet in the last 2 weeks, so i'mma call you Number 4" and take away your mobile and go to another exercise in the gym.


Hope this can be of any help or stimulate any ideas, stay cool.

I would have to disagree I am a small guy, and have cleaned up in the gym.. alot of meatheads usually rely on there apperance, muscles, alpha male presence to attract the girl, but alot of them lack game, charm, intelligence... even though initial they notice the alpha male, but when u kill the with real game... it all doesn't matter...

Thank you, Crasher...I like it except for the bit about the black hair thing...I think that is showing off.

+1 lol

TheIntruder, that's why you say it with a playful tone :p

And you wanna say that because, first, it'll make her feel like she's just another one in your life, and you're not even interested in her name lmao

this might bring ya more convo, cause imo, what u wanna do with each thing u say or w.e, is make room for natural stuff to come up

I'm not saying that small guys shouldn't game at the gym. I'm just saying:
1) It's more difficult to get girls at the gym for anybody really, and thus requires more skill (which isn't necessarily a bad thing)
2) I wouldn't have used that routine. It's difficult to follow up a conversation after you lifting the same amount of weight as her (unless you have a great sense of humor)

Just my opinion...

And of course you are more than welcome to give it, but I think you are misreading the situation (which of course I can't blame you for because you were not actually there).

Her comment about the weights was her way of negging, an opener really. Of course its pretty normal for men and women to use the same weights for different purposes. She was just being a smartass, or in other words its a shit test. If I didn't follow that up with a routine or something that I would "normally" do then I would be buying into her frame and I would have failed the shit test. As it is, I kind of failed it because I tried to justify the fact that I was using the same weight, when anyone who goes to the gym knows that there is nothing wrong with that (in fact, she admitted it when she said "just kidding" later).

And about your earlier comment that it is difficult to compete with guys with so-called better bodies, I have read it from numerous sources that women don't go for the biggest bodies necessarily. In fact there is a certain size that is appealing to most of them and if you go beyond it it can actually backfire. In fact, one girl actually commented to me when I asked her if she found a particular guy attractive: "the bigger his muscles get the smaller his brain gets."

And there is some truth to this generalisation (as there is with most generalisations). Those who spend too much time developing their bodies, often do so at the expense of their minds. And if you take the media as a standard to follow in this regard, you will find that the strongest guys (Schwarzenneger, Stallone and Vin Diesel, for example) are not usually portrayed as the smartest. So you may actually be better off not being that big.

And as an earlier poster commented, a good body is nothing without the right body language and the right attitude. I've seen many bodybuilders come off as needy with women in the gym.

One thing you need to realize is that hot girls will be nice to everyone they meet when going anywhere that they go often. Every hot girl in the gym i meet is super nice to every guy that talks to her just because she wants to be the girl that "everyone loves." it has nothing to do with gaming her correctly.. it isn't the same as meeting them on the subway or something... So my guess is negging and joking around would be a great hook.

her: shouldn't you be lifting something heavier..
you: "shouldn't you be minding your own business." smile and tease.. and then say just playin...

Exactly. That's what I should have said!