I was with this chick for like 9 months like 4 years ago, and we stopped talking for a while and now we started talking again, but she has a man, but she sleeps over my house in my bed with me, sometimes she gives me lapdances at clubs, she gets me chicks at clubs, she goes skinny dipping in the pool with me at night every other week or in her thong and she'll jump on my dick and play with it and im touching her everywhere and shit, but she won't fuck me, i know i can make her cheat on her man with me, i've made her do it, but now i need better game to do it and i dont know what to say, i've tried a lot of different approaches, nothing in specific because i've tried for the last 2 months already and i just recently like a week ago found this PUA community, so i wasnt even aware of what i was saying to thsi chick since i didnt know any routines or patterns or any NLP tricks, nothing, i was just using my saleman's skills cause i've had many different sales jobs so i have a good idea on how to talk to people, sell my self, but now im stuck, like in a fucking platoe and i need help, if anyone has any ideas or suggestions, please feel completely free to share them with me, im open to try anything in this situation, im looking for any advice

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I have kinda noticed that a lot of hot girls wear ipods compared to average girls. I have a feeling it could be a kind of bitch shield gimmick they use to stop AFCs approaching them. Therefore, obviously, the PUA community needs to figure out how to get 'em off. Now, this might just be me, but I have a feeling that one of the lines for day game that I've seen around the forum could help. The "asking for directions" approach gives you an excuse to get her to take the headphones off. The problem, of course, is how to proceed with the sarge after this without looking like a creep. Anyone got any ideas?

Sounds like you don't have much to worry about. You guys have been in a long foreplay state for a while. In your place, I would wait for one of those occasions when you're together in the pool (or similar enough), allow her to arouse you physically, and then say "no" yourself. Take the candy away from her. Or rather, gain control yourself. You'll be inside her in less than 10 minutes if you do it the right way.

On the Mystery Method DVDs, they talk about the "anti-slut defense" which is like a woman's last resistance to sex.

To pass through it, Mystery suggest making her help you set up the "seduction scene." For example, take her out, build kino, attraction, etc etc. When you get back to your place, and when the kino peaks, let her help build things up. Ask her to light the candles while you put on the music, or while you light some incense, tell her to go "wash up"

By treating the preparation as an activity, you allow her to slide through her natural defenses.

This is my first comment so just wanna say i've always been somewhat successful being a natural but going blindly also fails a lot...Randomly stumbled upon this book through a raving review of a friend and i do like A LOT of the stuff i see. Also i had a situation like this a few weeks back or so. I have a good lady friend that alwyas invites me out so i ended up w/ her friend upstairs that i just met. Bassically she stopped right before sex which really surprised me . It was very late i was tired and just got mad and left(before i left she showed a little preview of whats under the sheet...apparently that she took of her bra and changed into something geared towards sex but oh well . Now i have tools for next time

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The only problem i see w/ having set up the romantic sitation like you said above is that it seems this girl has no hesitation to get physical so obviously she's very relaxed w/ the whole slut view where most girls wouldn't be doing this kind of stuff on the side. What strikes me interesting is that the only thing she wont do is sex therefore NOT CHEATING by only a Technicallity. Kind of clever but very devious.

The most simple approach that i've seen so far in my last few days starting to read some stuff would be this thing i kind of liked where you start doing something until she says i really shouldn't be doing this. And followup, ""You're right, this is so bad," you agree, whispering in her ear "We shouldn't be doing this." And then continue into another attempt to close. If shes already this far then she atleast somewhere in her mind has sex. If she resists still you either need something very very persuasive or this chick can just be something else. Also thought maybe a freeze out would be a appropriate...don't let her do all that touchy strip stuff she wants. If she didn't want that she wouldn't be hanging out w/ you.
The only thing holding her back like i said earlier is the cheating sex technicaliy.

Anyway hope that helps.

I want to note that on the DVDs, Mystery says that the girl's ASD (anti slut defense) is natural and often subconscious. Girls draw a line, he says, between "fun" and "sexual," and thats what the method I described above is designed to bridge.

For some girls the line between "fun" and "sexual" is between kissing and fondling, and for others it will be between fingering and oral sex. For this guy's girl, it sounds like she draws the line at sex itself. I think the theory still applies, and so should the technique.

i believe you are right my man, 100% correct, its the cheating thats the ultimate holding back cock block of the century, yet again, i've made her ruin like 2 or 3 relationships in the past by her cheating on her man with me and killin that relationship, but i cant do it again for some reason, its frustrating but im trying everything i can do get around it, and im crashing and burning horrible, im just glad there are tons of wome in the world and you everyday can be filling with new ones if you get around in life, so thats my goal, to try to get out and go many places and open other opertunities, so it would just be cool to get back wit this chick on the side for now, pussy is good but the head is fantastic

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