I had a fun time in the mall today, and number closed a couple of girls. I opened using an opinion opener i found on the forum which goes along the lines of asking a set what I should by for a girl "friend" for her b-day! I got great reactions from a few girls, but found it hard to transition out of because they wanted so badly to help, any suggestions??

I also thought it appropriate to share this as well: I opened a girl in a store and during my open I was approach by someone I know (however I could not remember this persons name) I tried to manage the situation as best as possible! The set ran off "I cant help I gotta go!!" awkward, and then the friend asked why she ran away, and I replied by telling her the innocent question I had asked!! She proceeded to ask me if I was now one of "those guys" who asks women questions like that to pick them up! HAHAHA I managed as best I could and ejected ASAP!!

Thanks for listening, any tips on the transistion from the opener to regualr conversation in the first case?

I also used this opener at the mall today..(no longer then an hour ago) "i have a friend thats a girl and i need a female opnion on what to get for her b'day?" all of the sets opened up but died just as quickly, most of them say just get her a card.. what am i supposed to do with that.. when i say i want to get a her an actual gift the HB's try to force me to realize that i have feelings for this imaginary girl.. i have a hard time transitiong out of this also because the hb's become hostile after a while.
where did i go wrong? should i just use a situational opener instead of a opinion opener?

You did root your opener, but did you give yourself a time constraint? Take a look at your body language and how you come off to other people. In many cases, you get frozen out because of the fact that you're leaning in and paying too much interest to them, like some kind of pervert.

Also, look at your appearence. Poor clothing, grooming and so on may make them think really many thoughts about you that you don't want them to think

Make sure that you have relevant answers to their opinions also, so that they don't get the feeling that you're just trying to keep them in the conversation to pull some phone numbers out of them, in a creepy way. (Which is, of course, what's happening)

That's the most obvious things I could think of right now. There's probably a few other things you should look in to, but for now, check these things.

They most effective way that I have found to use this opener is to say, "Me and few of my buddies have been put to the task of find a gift for one of our girlfriends, she is really into clothing, what would you say is a good gift?"

This generally stimulates the HB to talk, however they usually jsut start looking around the store we are in, or go way to into detail. What is the best way to transition out?? to initiate further convo in a new direction?

After reading all these post and others, i am wondering if it is time to put this opener to rest. Don't girls know this one already?

It also seems especially weak if you tell her its for anyone other than your sister. Cause then your giving her a mental of you with some other girl. Shouldn't the goal be to give her the thought of her with you.

If you must use this, maybe try something like (holding up two articles of clothing) say,
"If you were my friend, which of these would you give me a big kiss for?"

This at least gives her the vision of kissing you, and that you guys know eachother already.

might also try "Love me for life for"

I don't know, maybe some of the linguistic guys on this forum can figure out a way of squeezing in some trance words or something.

Or hell grab an article of clothing (not too slutty) and say,
"I'll bet this would look hot on you"

Anyone like these?

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I agree with this, i think you should approach from a visible angle then say along the lines of 'hey guys,( dont look at the target and ask the others) i havent got much time my mates are waiting, but which one?'

then they may ask whos it for just say, or just say it if they dont ask and start starring at them... 'just imagine its for you... i'm your good friend, which one would i get a big kiss for?' (image of being together)

then say 'right ok, so which one is it?' with yourself facing away at an angle and back foot shaking... in a smily rushed manner... give the looks to the non targets...

then if they dont respond quickly... turn to the hb and say well then what about you?... smirk at her...

then she says the one and you go right ok i'll go with the other... in a cocky manner and smiling....

laughing response would usually follow and then say 'infact can i walk you round (leading the hb target) and you could show me what ones you like and i would get that kiss for?...not got too much time (last time constraint for now)

IF you want... grab her hand and squeeze gently if she squezzes an IOI but only do it if she looks like she was going to give consent..

then lead on... away from her mates..


then transist and dont introduce.. be cocky make her laugh, SMILE! and then ask her to play the 5 question game or ask her to choose a number between 1 and 10 just transist into that by saying 'hey i learnt this the other day... do you mind if i try it with you..?' (images of togetherness)... dont let her speak in time if she is looking as if she wants to go back to her mates or looks over to them in a want to be with them manner then hit her with whatever esp cold reading or magic you want and voila! just keep her mind off the fact that you have lead her astray to you and that will help hook her...

hope this helped... i havent even tried it .. just made it there...

what do you think?

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man, this is so strange , i did almost the exact same opener two days ago in the mall. they pointed out some things in the store we where in then the conversation died. for almost 48 hours i've been thinking non-stop and honestly i dont think you can transition out of this without a smart wing.even if you can change the subject it will just come back later in the conversation and she will know that you where lieing.
DO NOT USE THIS OPENER,UNLESS YOU ARE REALLY TRYING TO FIND A GIFT

I agree with the comments above, the opener can get this conversation rocking, but the transistion is difficult and if the girl really digs what you are asking her she will stick with it. Thanks for the comments and new openers you guys are great!

Don't be suckered into actually buying something for your target too.

I disagree.................

You could transition by letting her pick an object or two to be proposed as gifts and putting them on hold. For example.

You: what do you think of this?
HB: Yea that's nice
HB: I really like this one
You: Yea but I am still not sold on this place. Let's tell the store to put these on hold while we go check out some other places.


Proceed to check out other stores preferbably ones that are different than the previous and also distant. If you were just in a clothing store, go to a shoe store, or bath and body store. The more distance between them the more time you have to build rapport. Also the different items will make for a good conversation.

Do the same thing as before (doing this more than 3 times would be risky as she will lose interest) , all the while imposing DHV and building rapport. From there you can transition to something like ...

You: "All this shopping is wearing me out! I don't know how you ladies do it with so much enthusiasm."
HB: (response) blah blah blah
You: It's making me a bit thirsty, let's go grab a drink at the Starbucks, (jamba juice...whatever.....). I might even let you help me pick a drink.
HB: *smiles or laughs*

From there proceed to the Starbuck's and close. If she asks about which item your going to buy, say your not sure.

For example:

HB: So did you decide which thing your going to buy
You: I really like this but blah blah blah. When I find out I will call and let you know
HB: But you don't have my number
You: Well you'd better write it down, because if she likes the gift, I might just ask for your help again.
HB: What if she doesn't like it?
You: Then I know your not really the greatest gift giver, that you just wanted to help me out cause you think I'm cute.
HB: *laughs smiles*


Let me know if that works out for you.

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awesome post rythms!!! I actually went back and used this type of opener at Best Buy today, although i used a "cd for a girlfriend" as the wuestion since the HB was in the cd section, and i worked worders moved to a few other gift ideas and then started stacking routines in order to give off an interesting vibe. she really dug it, but my advice and warning, being the young rAFC that I am, is dont use all of your material at once or you will be stuck come the second meeting looking like a not so interesting guy!!! Great talk guys Sarge On!!!

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