Earlier today i was doing some shopping for christmas and i was picking out a card for my sister. I saw 2 girls about 6 feet down the same aisle from me, so i picked up a selection of 3 cards and went up to the nearest one.

Me: Hey, this'll just take a minute but i'm wondering if you could help me with picking an xmas card for my sister. I've got it narrowed down to these 3.

Her: Oh yeah sure. Ummm i'd probably go for this one

blah blah blah blah (she picks a card)

Me: OK. Cool. Erm, thanks (i walk off)


I wanted to keep the conversation going but my mind went blank and i didnt know how to move it from this opinion question to a real conversation. Any ideas/suggestions?

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Puadig

Hey man, I can certainly appreciate your initiative to go over to the girls and start a conversation with that opinion opener. However, day time game in places like that it's not good to be indirect.

When you are doing day type game you need to be direct because people have "real time constraints" as they are going about their day. They didn't go out to socialize they went out to get their errands done. This is why a direct approach works better in day game.

It gets tough to direct conversation about virtually nothing during the day. However, you have to realize when you approach you have the burden of talking. You approached her so you are going to have to do the majority of talking. Look into some DHV stories and routines for yourself for later.

A better approach would have been..."Hey I know this is totally random...but I saw you over here and had to come over here and meet you....I'm xxxx." Either you get a ways with the girl or you get blown out but you aren't in a set for 10 minutes bullshitting only to get knocked out later.

Or asked her for her opinion and then said...you know what I just wanted to talk to you...I'm xxxx.

Just be more direct during the day and you'll get further. Be sure when you open to give her more space than you would at night when you start opening. Around 5 feet away is good.

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first I like the FTR but I wouldn't say that it will only take a min during day game when its only a question, it just doesn't fit.

Next step, well look man she's in the same Isle as you right? So who is she shopping for, I don't know ASK HER!

Once she says who ask about him, if he relates to any sibling you have, mention them. At that point I would get off the cards and get on her. Complaint her if you like direct like I do. You need to convey the feeling of "its hard to leave" before you ask for a #. I would ask for it, but for a specific reason, if she helps you with some thing like a card you need to make it out like it was such a perfect choice. You could then ask for her # to say you're so good at this would you mind if I txt if I have any more ?'s about my family shopping" You could add your own touch depending on the girl, if shes super quiet I might say, I promise I'm not some psycho you just seem really smart. Once you have the # lead it to other things, that is a new subject.

congrats for your opener....but you gotta neg her for example she picks card 3..then tell tell i dont think so..blah blah blah...then its up to you.

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Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) I think JSmooth is right. It is unfortunate since occasions such as these happen often (women all around us all day you can open towards in this fashion) and a scenario like this would be great for practicing M3. On the other hand, I think the best thing you can do to become a PUA is to grow some balls the spartan way, and constanntly dive into the deep. From this perspective it can be a good thing that there is no easy way which will only softens us, and we should perhaps just force ourselves to master the direct approach in such a setting.

Perhaps it is interesting to reason on this a little more nonetheless. I found myself in the exact same scenario today, where I asked a girl to help me out with selecting some aftershave in a drugstore. Now after I opened with the obvious (say, I am a moron with this shit, could you give me a hand, I think I need a womans input here bladibla). I found myself on a dead end. When I looked back at it later, I though about the following:

I suppose what you would could do after such an opener is either to make a joke, DHV or to neg, and that should pretty much be it right?

A joke is a very good possibility, but afterwards you are stuck with the same problem, how are you gonna switch subject?. To neg would be weird after an opinion opener, since the setting I suppose is to impersonal for this and it would just freak her out. leaves DHV...

Is there a logical way out of this or do I got it all wrong?

Well in that scenerio i wouldnt be negging so early with day game her guard will be alot weaker then lets say a club. You could have found a funny card and thought of a quick joke to use and that would have been a form of dhv thru humour. Quickly transit to something relevant about your sister or her birthday, maybe an awesome suprise present you have or an opinon on where to take her. Make it something adventerous like skydiving or rafting trip. Go nuts as you know it doesnt have to be true if you have a solid game frame!

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I have another thought. A potential sitiation that would make things easier on you is to get her to have some coffee with you around the corner. From such a situation it would obviously be easier to get into the A stuff such as negging and DHVing and futher from there. To get from asking an opinion on whatever in a store to getting her to join you to the coffee corner would be the trick that would allow for a solid day time pickup with at least a # close, without having to do the direct thing as proposed by JSmooth, which for one I think is something for the pro's (which I myself unfortinately am not), and for two seems to be somewhat of a 50-50 thing. She either baits or not.

Now, the number one question thus is how to jump from the opinion opener to the invitation for coffee without it being weird or scary...

Using a direct approach would have worked more to your advantage. Say something like this "you seem like you might be a cool person how about you give me your number and we can have a cup of coffee sometime."