Time and time, again, set after set after set, I ALWAYS bomb when it comes to Accountants and Law Students. Accountants b/c they are so overly analitical and cautious that they refuse to drop their guard for even a second and have a good time, and Law Students b/c....well let's face it, they secretly wish they were dudes! (I'm sorry, but obssessing over details, technicalitics, arguing, and using only logic IS the male domain)


So please clue me in here. I'm Charlie Brown, and they are Lucy w/ the football, and each time I focus harder and sharpen my execution, I find my self yelling "ARGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH" mid-air.

you demonstate higher value!!! you show them that you're better than anyone they've met and that they need to drop the sheild

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haha man! i know what you're saying!
(i study accounting)
accounting students are in general very plain and boring though, if i have to whip out the stereotype book. they're used to doing the same thing, seeing the same people and never leaving the comfort zone (due to their overly cautious nature. this is true, saw it on national geographic =P)
so what i do which has been fairly successful is to sneak in and seem calm and normalish and then after having built a bit of comfort i slowly turn up the attraction by becoming the interesting, different, thrill seeking rocker that i am, slowly exposing her to things she wouldn't normally have done etc.

this isn't full-proof but it's so far the best way i've found to work with accounting and medical students...

Hehe, yeah, this is something I've dealt with a lot. Two of my best friends are lawyers, so I've been to a lot of law school shindigs and parties full of white collar folks. The key to remember is that because their studies force them to be so analytical, they tend to crave the opposite.

People studying to become lawyers, doctors, or accountants have to make a big investment in terms of their private lives. They aren't going to have the chance to go backpacking. They might party now and then, but the likelihood of them doing something really unique or crazy (at least on a regular basis) is low. And they are getting ready for careers where they will be even busier and less likely to do these things.

Like the above posts suggest, there's a huge opportunity to DHV and represent someone who can offer them a sample of what it's like on the "wild side" that they are generally depriving themselves of. Let them live vicariously through you, and use the life experience you've built up while they were stuck in the library to your advantage man!

Dudes, I do this. Hell, I AM THAT, and this gets results w/ all other professions--just not these two. Problem is, w/ the accountants, is that instantly go into their shell and turtle up (i.e. he's TOO wild for me) As for law school chicks, it honestly becomes a battle of AMOGs.


....and please keep in mind, I work side-by-sides these types of people, so I know them like the back of my hand, but I simply cannot see ever using my job to pick up chicks (aside from at work of course )

as i've suggested, tone your individuality down a bit and be more *normal* initially. you can then slowly revert back to being different as they start to feel more comfortable around you.

you cant just be interesting and different right off the bat with the accountant types because they "turtle up" when they meet someone different from their normal social group.

as for lawyers, i'd imagine them being quite opinionated and outspoken not to mention argumentative. so i'd probably take her completely out of her comfort zone and keep her there, that way she hopefully wont try to give you shit because here YOU are the expert. just a theory though, have no idea whether it'll work.

oh, and dont forget to DHV and neg. both accountants and lawyers can get big headed, or at least the ones i know are.

These are very good points. Now this is all generalization, but it's GENERALLY true from what I've found. Lawyers argue for a living, and they often have to take subjects that they aren't always experts on, pluck out the few facts they know about it that back up their side of the argument, and then argue. Most of them are quite aware that outside of court or the company of other lawyers, this is an annoying trait, and they are self-conscious of it. It's a very good thing to be able to capitalize on this by reminding them that they're not in court, and that it's possible to have a conversation between two people where you're not on opposite sides. And yes, putting them in their place about them not being the expert on a given topic also works wonders. Just be fun about it if you neg them, and make it clear that you're not putting them down so much as you're just trying to have a conversation like "normal" people do...

I studied both those subjects. They all had the hots for me because I acted really aloof and arrogant and probably had a slight air of mystery.

I didn't do anything about it though because I was an AFC at the time.

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I think the basic principles of attraction work no matter what.

Let's be honest. Virtually any female Accounting or Law student will gladly sleep with Brad Pitt or Eric Bana. That's because those guys have all of the things down that make them highly attractive. And of course the fact that they're rich superstars help a lot.

But it's certainly possible to make oneself that attractive if you have the right lifestyle, the right game, the right aura.

My girlfriend is an Accountant/HR Director, and I gamed her the same way I'd game anyone else. Cold approach, day time. Cocky, funny, a lot of DHVs. But if you're faking game, smart girls can tell. If you're really a shy, weak, boring nerd (and I'm a nerd, so nothing against nerds ) pretending to be a mysterious, unpredictable alpha male isn't going to work. They're smart enough to see through it. Get the inner game. Get the confidence. Just treat them like any other girl, but be real. The odd canned opener or C/F line isn't going to work. There's a difference between acting Cocky/Funny and dominant, and BEING a cocky, funny, AMOG.

If you are a real AMOG, it doesn't matter WHAT the girl is.

Of course it's a movie, and it's anything but real, but remember Wedding Crashers. Those characters could have been bloody anything. But the way they carried themselves, the way they acted, what they were inside, they came across as important people. And the Secretary of the Treasury's wife wanted to sleep with him. As I say, it's a movie, but it's kind of realistic. If you have that inner game, and then the outer game is just logistics. Once you have that, it makes no difference what the girl is, within reasonable bounds.

STRONG!

I'll use that the next date w/ this lawyer I met. Shockingly, she actually gets it. And fiercely trys to abstain from the stereotype.

There's my problem!

For some reason, I attract a lot of law girls, med students, accountants and other types like this and the reason may have to do with the fact that I'm not like them at all. I'm an artist and I have a much more relaxed attitude than they do and they're attracted to that after being in such taxing professions. The key is intelligence, just because you can't recite the main points of the magna carta doesn't mean that you don't have areas of special interest and expertise that she does not. Aside from that, all other attraction and comfort situations are the same, just stay relaxed when they have to work overtime every weekday, they want to see you.

Despite being about to graduate from law school, I actually don't have much experience gaming law students. :/ I never gamed at school because I didn't want anything stupid I did to stick around and haunt me for the next three years. Plus a lot of them were married. But here's what I do know. Keep in mind that this isn't a set of tips for getting into a law student's pants ('cause I've never done that), but rather a list of things that can go wrong ('cause I have had that happen).

1. If they start talking about law, they won't shut the hell up about it. They'll put themselves in a logical frame, which is not a place you want them to be.

2. Don't ask what kind of law they want to practice. We get asked that shit non-stop and it annoys the piss out of us.

3. Don't ask for legal advice. We can't give it and we're tired of explaining to people why we can't give it.

4. Don't talk shit about their law school. Don't even IMPLY that you or someone you know or whatever went to a better one. I actually lost a girl from another law school by merely implying, through my tone of voice, that I thought my law school was better than hers. I thought it was light CF. It was fucking dumb, is what it was.

5. Don't ask about their career prospects.

6. If you're going to do a roleplay or plotline, make it about something other than her being your lawyer. A client is not exactly a high-value position in a lawyer's eyes. Think about it: a client is someone that a lawyer gets money from and wishes would leave him the hell alone. You don't want to be in that box, do you?

7. In fact, screw it. Don't talk to law students about law or law school at all. No good can come of it.

Aside from that, they're just regular girls.

Of course, if they're trying to demonstrate value to you by talking about how they're law students because they're really proud of it, then go ahead and be impressed. Girl DHVing at you = her qualifying herself = IOI. If, and only if, she gets positive emotions out of being in that frame (and this usually doesn't last far into the first semester of law school, lol), then you can run the lawyer-client plotlines and whatnot.

By and large, though, don't treat her any differently than you treat any other girl.

And first semester is over for all 1Ls now, so any law student you talk to at this point in time is in full-on I HATE LAW SCHOOL AND I WANT TO GET DRUNK AND FORGET ABOUT IT mode. So don't talk to her about law school. Help her party and forget about it.

Solid advice Stormy. I'm a 1L, and I've got a few things to add. Go with everything Stormy said, plus:

1. Know that law schools on average are 60% female and rising. My school is 70%. There are enough wiener kids in law school that the ladies are quite happy to get out and meet normal guys.

2. The smarter a girl is, the dumber she is. Meaning that the more time someone spends in books, writing papers, and around the same type of people, the less socialized to the 'real world' they become. Don't be intimidated just because she's analytical and logical.

Good luck!

P.S... I want to get drunk and forget about it... NOW! Hahaha...