Why is it that most guys that approach the extremely hot sexy girls receive a "projection shield" or an "bitchy" answer like "[I'm not interested] I have boyfriend"? I don't use negs as I so rarely get an "bitchy" answer. Not even from the extremely hot girls. I just don't understand why this is. Could it really be that sexy girls really are so shallow that looks really matter that much? Why is it that the sexy girls are bitchy towards many guys and then not against others? Could it have something to do with looks?

Attractive girls are just as nice as other girls, they just like to weed out the ordinary guys from the extraordinary guys. If girls are being bitchy to you on your first approach then you've approached them wrong.
Like Style says, everything is your fault not theirs, just make sure you correct yourself next time.

rushy is only half right...
you can approach girls perfectly and some might still be bitchy. there are many possible reasons for this ranging from them having a bad day to them giving you an immediate shit test.

either way, the only way to get through that it to keep your frame, stay confident and keep a positive, optimistic attitude. the worst that can happen is that the set wont hook... but keeping a good attitude will help you retain your value and social proof (because other sets wouldn't have picked up that you got blown out due to your positive attitude)

you NEED to neg the bitchy girls. the reason for a neg is to bring her down to your level. right off, she thinks she's better than you; and if she's a babe she hardly ever gets negged. when you neg her, she'll be thinking "wait, everyone thinks i'm hot, what's up with this guy?"

The keys to getting a girl to remember you and find you interesting are, one: DHV, and two: getting her out of her comfort zone. now, this doesn't mean acting like a wierd ass and freaking her out to make her uncomfortable, this means getting her out of HER frame, changing the way that SHE thinks and acts. making her feel self conscious is the best way to get that started.

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I think of it not necessarily as bitchy. More of a psychological thing with girls.

Try thinking about it like this:
A lot of people are suckers with sales people, they just don't know how to say no or feel bad or whatever. So instead of wasting their money or having to feel bad about saying no they completely want to avoid them in general. This is where a 'No Solicitors' sign is put up. Every time I see these I laugh because I know if a salesperson was able to start talking to these people who have these signs in place, they would fold like a cheap lawn chair and be forking out money.

I relate this same situation to women. They don't want to be taken advantage of or used and abused. They want to weed out the assholes or whatever so they automatically have the 'No Solicitors/Boyfriend/Bitch Shield' sign up. Just get passed this and they will show you they are not shallow, just protective of themselves.

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Actually not everyone is a wuss who will fall for any salesman's pitch.... "no soliciting" sign because its freaking annoying and gets in the way of the REAL business. I get tired of door to door salesman. Especially when there is no way in hell I will donate $5 to some fund for some cake that probably has hair in it, and they will KEEP trying desperately.

I think that there is truth to, the better you look, the less of an immediate bitch shield you will receive. For instance, an HB9 has a guy approach her who is just a 6, of course she must act like she wants him gone until he proves to her that his personality kicks ass. However, if he is some "OMG HES SO HOT" 9.5 guy, I bet he'll have much less of a bitch shield and shit testing

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Haha or it could be the simple fact of they are annoying as well. If you do think about it however people will put guards up in place because they know they are weak in that area or they want to protect it. In girls case they don't think any guy will do so they need to get rid of the ones that can't pass their test.

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Well think about it this way. Are guys really that shallow?

If you were standing around at a store, and a 250 pound girl with acne came up to you trying to ask you out what would you do?

Now I'm not saying you would throw up your "man" bitch shield. But you are going to have none of it most likely. So why is it so bad for woman to throw up a bitch shield?

In fact sometimes the bitch shield is helpful. Which would you rather:

A. approach HB9 and talk to her for 20 mins, and she is only talking to you because she is being nice, and doesn't want to flat out reject you, but when you number close she pretends she has a BF.

or

B. HB9 rejects you immediately and you save 20 minutes and move on to another HB9.


Which is better?

I'm just saying girls no less shallow than guys.

if anything, i'd say guys are more shallow than girls are. i know i'm a shallow bastard. at least some girls will give you a chance.

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nah. I don't really think looks matter all that much. I mean it's very strange when you see couples and the guy is prettier than the girl.

It could be a number of things. Maybe you weren't projecting enough value via your body language on the opener. Maybe you were using an opener she'd heard before. Maybe she's having a shitty night and didn't want to talk to anyone. Maybe that's autopilot for her and she does it to weed out the guys who won't plow because they get scared when a girl is mean to them.

Could be anything, really.

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I agree strongly with Stormy on this. But if you DHV, neg, and throw out some cocky/funny while winning her friends over, you should get her attention. Remember she has been approached many times in her life. she's filtering out the zeroes waiting for the heroes, which is us!

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"A real PUA will make every women he encounters feel like she experience something once in a lifetime."- White_Rose

i have to agree. i don't consider myself bad looking, but guys are pretty freaking picky sometimes. and it annoys me how shallow they are, at least at the start.

it's more than likely not your fault, actually. i have to agree with stormy that it's quite possible to be anything. you don't know her, or her history with guys, or just how her day's been. go ahead and make a witty comment or two, but don't push it too far or you'll just come off as annoying. if she has had a rotten day and refuses you a couple times, give her space. keep an eye on her, maybe she'll change her mind, but don't push it.

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Guys actually aren't that picky. Nine times out of ten, they're just shy.

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