a good way to start a conversation with a HB at a gym is to just ask her to spot you on some weights, it works all the time, i've tested it 20 times, works like a charm.
then you can talk about your gym routines and when she mentions her, just call her a lazyass or some other neg.

OH AND BTW, YOU KNOW HOW MOST GUYS SAY THAT THEY CAN'T TELL WHETHER A GIRL HAS A BF OR NOT IN THE GYM RIGHT???? WELL

MOST OF THE GIRLS THAT ARE BY THEMSELVES LISTEN TO MUSIC AND THE ONES THAT ARE WITH THEIR BF'S DON'T.

NEXT TIME YOU GO TO THE GYM, CHECK FOR THAT!!!

and if you see a girl with headphones listenin to music, just say

PUA: you looked lonely from over there, so i just wanted to say hi!

she'll start denying it, and you know what to do from there.

gym is a place to workout. I doubt if you say "you look lonely" she'll appreciate it. If shes got headphones on shes more than likely trying to stay in the zone and wants to look "lonely" IMHO

MA BROTHA YOU DISAPPOINT ME. MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY IT OUT AND THEN TALK SMACK. ya digg?

just open everybody in the gym... men & women... they will all think you suffer from the talkative-discease... and then its not ackward if you open a hot girl, because she'll think you are normally like this... plus every man&woman in the gym who comes in, comes and greets you and they all like you.... you can work a gym like you work a club
its not about the opener, but about the mood/state you are in.. if you open everybody then you will open the SHB as well.. but if you dont open anybody and are in the gym all alone and suddenly you open her, it will be very ackward...

and... i'm training hardcore as well at the same time... so its not that i'm wasting my workout... everybody knows i'm fucking serious as well...

"i have to do my set now" is like a neg, i use it all the time... i do it naturally, because my workout is serious for me, but i guess its DHV as well to consider your workout more important than being nice to her...

you can also tutor them on how to work out or how to diet... i do this to everybody, not only SHB's, also UGs and guys

btw letting her spot you is a bit try-hard??? she'll be on to you... because a guy would be better for that....why the hell would you use a girl for that?

unless she's a real fitness girl or unless there's no guy around who can spot you

or unless you can frame it in a way that you didnt select her especially....

I disagree with this post.

From experience asking a girl for a spot is one of the creepiest things possible - especially if you're actually at the gym to lift. If they don't know how to spot your lift it's dangerous for you and puts a lot of pressure on them making them uncomfortable.

I was at the gym with a girl I was dating once and a 40 year old guy asked her to spot him on a 225 bench. We were both 17 at the time. She told me about it and how creepy it was. She also mentioned to me how there was no way in hell she'd be able to help him if he needed it.

I wouldn't suggest talking about gym routines unless you're a personal trainer. You're just setting up a scenario for another AMOG to DHV by talking about how you don't know what you're doing thus giving you LV.

I know this definately wouldn't work at my gym.

There is a post above which mentions being friendly to everyone at the gym. That's the best bet. In fact if you come in with a good energy, walk confidently crack jokes here and there and say hi to some of the people you know, then you're DHVing by showing leadership and familiarity with others nearby.

Also just saying hi to people that look lost or self-concious is great. Makes them feel more comfortable and gives you DHV.

Try it out - but in general it's tough to pickup other clients at the gym. Now if you're hitting on a hired gun there - that's a different story.

Goodluck

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Mbkb24- It's great that you're giving out advice, but this is a public forum. People are going to comment, give criticism, etc to help you make the theory better.

Hyaline isn't "talking smack."

A real alpha male isn't going to go on the defensive as soon as some bit of his statement is called into question. This is a warning that I'm going to be watching and ensuring that you don't turn into a starter of flame wars. We've spent too long making this forum a safe place for guys to find answers to have you yelling in caps all the time. ya digg?

Now, on to my question.... can you delve a bit deeper into the "neg" of calling her a lazyass. To me, that's not a neg. It's an insult. So would you mind just elaborating on why it's worked for you (because you've said it's been personally field tested with some success.)

Thanks

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This worked for me to open at a Gym. About the only time I opened a girl at the gym, but then crashed and burned....
Was on a leg press machine and an HB8 is on another leg press machine next to me. As I was finishing up my set I noticed her looking over. Well, I stepped over to her machine
ME: I'm gonna borrow this plate...unless you're going to use it? (I knew she wasn't, she already had 25 on each, so a 45 was too much)
HER: Oh, sure, no problem. Thanks for asking.
ME: Oh, I'm just being polite...(in a playful manner with a smile). You'd be surprised. I had a guy try to start a fight with me over taking a plate...(went into a true story about some guy giving me trouble over taking a plate...that he wasn't even going to use. Threw in some DHV.)

At this point, I put the plates on my machine and did another set. When I was done:

HER: So can I have my plate back? I "might" use it.
ME: (looking down at her legs) I don't think you're there yet, sweetie!
HER: (laughing out loud)
ME: Well, actually I'm gonna take another 2 plates from you, so don't get up and kick my ass.
HER: Oh, go ahead.

Did my last set and returned the plates

ME: Here are your plates back and thanks for not beating me up.
HER: (laughed again) You better be careful.

Then I caught myself thinking about how hot she looked down there leg pressing and totally lost it. I got lockjaw and drew a blank.

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!

ME: Well, I'm gonna go finish my workout before I have to get back to work.
HER: BYE! (She said it very playful)

But I still didn't respond. I normally don't game girls in the gym, so I think I was just in the wrong mindframe.

Anyways, regarding the original posting, I agree with most here. Asking a girl (who isn't a bodybuilder) isn't a good idea.

I think Sky's two posts were pretty solid. The views he expressed make a lot of sense to me. If you ONLY approach women while in the gym you will come off as creepy. This will only be complicated further if you always use the gym at the same times on the same days.. others will start to see you as the 'guy who is ALWAYS hitting on the chicks in the gym.' However, if you talk to everyone all the time you are displaying a lot of positive characteristics and you can get away with hitting on HB-whatevers with impunity.

good post Sky!

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I like your observation of the headphones.


Opening up with spotting and work out routines is excellent.

I don't neg with "lazy ass" though.. hahahaha


Something like, "are those shoes for flat footed people?? no? oh, double check your shoes because you might have the wrong ones for your foot. well they look cool anyway"

"those shoes don't look comfy for cross training" blah blah blah..

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I believe the approach suggesting opening everyone in the gym is probably the best way to go. Being friendly and shooting smiles at everyone while you get all swole is great way to exude self confidence.

I love the comment about the headphones, and i think you are actually right after i observed and opened a set with a HB at the gym that did not have head phones on. and sure enough, a boyfriend of two years.

For all those guys out there that go to the gym with buddies, meet some of your fellow PUA's, or naturals if you dont know anyone else on the dark side, at the gym so that when you walk in you can show some social worth by bullshitting with them, then working out, and working the room.

good opener for girls with head phones on.

You: Do those work?
Her: Does what work?
You: Those headphones. I was thinking about getting some to keep all the women in here from hitting on me...do they work?
Her: haha i guess not

One thing that I've done in the past is make comments on women's technique. Most women don't know a lot about lifting and they know it. So when I see a women lifting incorrectly, I go over and tell them how to do it correctly. This can lead to all kinds of conversations if you know anything about lifting and can offer them advice (DHV).

A lot of men leave too much weight on the leg presses. So when I see a petite woman trying to use it, I go up to her and say “That looks like too much weight for you, do you need help unloading it?” (with a sly grin). Most petite women can’t lift 45 pounds easily, and lifting it multiple times to unload a leg press is way too hard for them. Reciprocity comes into play, you DHV because you can unload it with ease, and it is also an indirect opener that displays your confidence.

Also many women go to gyms just to meet men who are in shape, so half your work is already done. I have had exes say that when they were single they would go to the gym just to watch men lifting. Many of the women at the gyms are already hot and bothered. All you have to do is be in decent shape and approach them with confidence because they are waiting and looking for you. Let you muscles DHV for you. If you make eye contact, many gym women will start stretching or exercising seductively to entice you (IOI), then all you have to do is approach. Any approach will do but, the most common ones are “Wow that’s a lot of weight for a woman” or “Are you in training for a sport of something because you look /train like an athlete.”.

The concept here is good, but I'd be very careful about negging at the gym. It's probably a place where many women don't necessarily feel comfortable. Besides you always risk coming off as a meat head when weight becomes the subject of your conversation at the gym.

I'd try something like this:

"Can I help you unload those?"

It's very unlikely anybody would say no to this. Even a 250lb dude that's ripped as hell wouldn't deny somebody helping him rack weights.

She should say yes. From there you can start talking about how inconsiderate some people are for just leaving the weights on and how things like common courtesy seemed to have just slipped between the cracks in our busy lives.. etc etc.

Also don't say anything like "wow, that's a lot of weight for a woman". Depending on her education level (suppose she studied sociology in college) that neg can become a huge insult. Be careful!

That's my 2 cents

CPT

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Never both a woman during her workout. If she is stretching yes you can open her then, but if she is walking from one machine to the next. You will look like a guy who was waiting for her. Now if you pass by her say hey and go on your way.

Nothing pisses me off then someone distracting me while I am working out. I am at the gym to work out. Now if I am getting a protein shake and a girl comes up yes open her.

Ask some of your friends who are women how they feel about being hit on while at the gym.

If your going to compliment on a girl. Use the words defined or toned. Never use buff for a girl unless she is one of those body builder women.

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