Basically this is a very small thing but would like some opinions on.
It's about inviting a girl over to you for an interaction. My example follows

This is for a girl at work (hb9) who I'm friendly with and can have banter with (banter means fun conversation, teasing back and forth etc) but ultimately I'm trying to game her. I'm not sure yet whether she is attracted to me but I don't think I've yet been fzoned. Basically I have a little routine figured out which I think is good however I don't want to just approach her, instead I want her to come to me. So in like a dominant way I was thinking of, from a short distance beckon her over with my finger, smile and say "come here". So really what I'm asking for is advice on contingency plans if it doesn't work.

If she tells me to go to her instead, I'll lose value by jumping into the hoop I laid out for her.
If she just doesn't react to it and won't come to me, I'll lose value/ already don't have enough value for her to comply

Now my initial thought was to ignore the uncompliance and continue talking anyway. But will I be able to recover from the value loss? By her not complying does it mean whatever routine I have planned will be irrelevant? Maybe that would be something is just have to barrel through.

Any opinions would be a great help.

P.s when I say I have a routine, I really mean more of a conversational thread which I can install dhvs and maybe a little kino. So nothing canned.

By the way, I thought of this after seeing a post on twitter by a girl that sad something like "I love it when a guy calls you over with his finger" and it got like a few thousand favs and retweets, so I thought it was worth exploring.

Overthinking it

Just tell her "hey let me show you something" and wave her over to you. Doesn't always work on strangers but to a fellow work colleague, it's pretty much guarenteed.

I feel that you have put so emphasis on this one move that doesn't actually do much in terms of getting you laid that you may fuck it up.

Clear your mind. Focus on the crucial steps that gets you laid. (Date, escalate, bedroom bla)

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That's fair man, like I said it was a very small thing. This girl is very worth it so I suppose I'm just trying to cover all my bases

Two things...

1. You said you would "lose value" if she doesn't comply. Perceived value and actual value are two very different things, you NEVER lose value because of something that someone else does.

Let me repeat that: You NEVER lose value because of something that someone else does.

YOU establish your value, not her. If you are still using external validation to gauge your value, it means you aren't there yet... you need to move to a self-realization model.

You CANNOT lose value unless you CHOSE to, hopefully that makes sense.

2. You said you are not sure if there is attraction yet, this is another mistake.

You should ALWAYS assume attraction, it just exists, period. It's there, assume it, and move forward. What you cannot assume however, is arousal. You need to create arousal.



Lets look at why the technique of calling a woman over works in the first place:

1. Assumption of Attraction (You assume she is attracted to you, why else would you call her over?)
2. Frame Control (Your frame is stronger, therefore it is a benefit to her to comply)
3. DHV (You have higher value, and are magnetic... she should be drawn to you anyway, you are doing her a favor)
4. Dominance (You display that you have the ability to take control of a situation and take action)
5. Confidence (You display that you know what you want, and have the means to get it)



Enjoy,

Happy Sarging

Thanks dude that was really helpful, particularly about not losing value from something someone else does, that makes absolute sense.

That being said, if she doesn't comply, should I just regard that as like a shit test and just do it again? Or maybe neg her, i.e "you are a little shit,just get over here." ?

Hey man,

Definitely... in the end fun and playful always wins.

If she doesn't comply its no big deal, a good pull / push / pull routine will keep things fun, kind of like you mentioned in your quote.

You pull with a strong masculine energy... then whether or not she complies push her away in a fun/playful manner (think like kids do on a playground), then pull her back and reinitiate entitlement.

Just remember that her not complying is not a big deal, in fact, you shouldn't worry about it at all. Just assume that she is attracted and will comply, and it will happen; it's kind of weird...once you show that congruency it will just start happening.

Cheers!

Please don't do this

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Yea i stopped negging. Even though it can somestimes happen when im drunk. Was a girl that was red in her face. And i asked if she was embarassed cause she was red as a tomato. She litterally ran out and cried and went home. Guess she had bad self esteem. Well we learn from our mistakes

Well the thing is, most guys mis-understand the purpose of the neg...

Most think it's purpose is to lower her perceived social value relative to yours, but that is actually not the correct way to utilize that technique.

The correct usage is to disqualify yourself as a potential suitor if her shield is up when you approach her... which is something most beginner PUAs just don't understand.

There is also the factor of hotness, 8s and above generally respond positively to negs, and 7s and below will start get defensive / start crying / act bitchy... whatever... because 8s+ are so used to getting positive validation from men, and 7s and above aren't. Again, that is a generalization and there are always exceptions.

That's right a neg isn't always a "negative compliment" its just acting in a way that she's not used to. Hence why I thought of doing it with this girl, every guy at work just hover around her like bees to a honey pot.