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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:27 pm 
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Well, I can approach, but only if the girl give motives, or IOI. For example, she smiles at me, something like that. If I don't see any motive I find it hard to approach. I've tried approaching before without her showing any motive and I can hardly get her name. Sometimes I even get rejected. But when she shows motive I can get a number close. I'm also stuggling approaching groups. And sometimes, when I approach women I can't seem to go any further. I don't know what to say or to do next so most of the time I get the number and go back to our table.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:13 pm 
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Well, I can approach, but only if the girl give motives, or IOI. For example, she smiles at me, something like that. If I don't see any motive I find it hard to approach. I've tried approaching before without her showing any motive and I can hardly get her name. Sometimes I even get rejected. But when she shows motive I can get a number close. I'm also stuggling approaching groups. And sometimes, when I approach women I can't seem to go any further. I don't know what to say or to do next so most of the time I get the number and go back to our table.

Thanks in advance
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You're doing better than a lot of guys out there, keep it up. When you get the # that should be the end of the convo anyway - leave on a high note. For now you could keep focusing on 1-on-1 instead of groups.

As for the IOIs, I think one of the reasons you are getting flustered when the girl hasn't originally given you an IOI is because your brain is telling you that she may not be into you.

As I'm sure you know you don't need an IOI to approach.

Think of it like this: As soon as you start running your game on her she will be IOIing like mad, and even if not, stay smooth because not all women give out constant IOIs during a pickup - even if they're getting WET from talking to you. Assume attraction.


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stay in set after you get her number unless she has to go- the number is only a tool to meetup with her-

if you can stay in set stay in set and isolate!

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You're doing better than a lot of guys out there, keep it up. When you get the # that should be the end of the convo anyway - leave on a high note. For now you could keep focusing on 1-on-1 instead of groups.

As for the IOIs, I think one of the reasons you are getting flustered when the girl hasn't originally given you an IOI is because your brain is telling you that she may not be into you.

As I'm sure you know you don't need an IOI to approach.

Think of it like this: As soon as you start running your game on her she will be IOIing like mad, and even if not, stay smooth because not all women give out constant IOIs during a pickup - even if they're getting WET from talking to you. Assume attraction.
Thanks man! I love your tips. Can I ask a few more? How could I get a meetup when I get her number? Or what should I do when I want to continue after I get a number.
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stay in set after you get her number unless she has to go- the number is only a tool to meetup with her-

if you can stay in set stay in set and isolate!
Thanksfor the tip! I'd love to stay in set for as long as I nedd, but the problem is, I don't have any routines or scripts. I don't know what to do next after I get the number. It's like, I get mental blocked.

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You're doing better than a lot of guys out there, keep it up. When you get the # that should be the end of the convo anyway - leave on a high note. For now you could keep focusing on 1-on-1 instead of groups.

As for the IOIs, I think one of the reasons you are getting flustered when the girl hasn't originally given you an IOI is because your brain is telling you that she may not be into you.

As I'm sure you know you don't need an IOI to approach.

Think of it like this: As soon as you start running your game on her she will be IOIing like mad, and even if not, stay smooth because not all women give out constant IOIs during a pickup - even if they're getting WET from talking to you. Assume attraction.
Thanks man! I love your tips. Can I ask a few more? How could I get a meetup when I get her number? Or what should I do when I want to continue after I get a number.
Thanks again!
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You can simply exit once you've demonstrated value, she's interested and you have the #. To get a meetup, just hit her up about something re: how you met her; then invite her for a drink. Use texting for meetups. Why waste time with escalating over text when you can do it in person. Save the chit chat for when you meet up.


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Stop scanning for warm signals like eye-contact, and just jump in there, introduce yourself and see what happens. Having a wingman is also kinda cool.

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You simply don't cold approach enough.

I get like 1 ioi per year so doesn't make sense for me to only go for warm approaches.

cold approaching will put hairs on your chest and make you so much more confident which will benefit a lot of your life. Warm approaches are great when they happen. But you shouldn't rely on them because that one perfect girl that walked past you in the street that didn't look at you, you will regret not learning cold approach.

You could also force ioi's and turn a cold girl into something warm and THEN approach, this is highly effective since you're still choosing her.

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Thanks guys! I love all your replies! I will try everything each of you said. This community is awesome! Lots of friendly expert willing to help! I'll post the results once I tried each of your tips.

About the cold approaching, can you tell me more about it? Sounds familiar but I'm not quite sure how.

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cold approaching is approaching a girl raw and building attraction. As opposed to only approaching girls that already like you.

Seems like you're very new to this. Watch some stuff on youtube like 'simple pickup' or something.

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Thanks guys! I love all your replies! I will try everything each of you said. This community is awesome! Lots of friendly expert willing to help! I'll post the results once I tried each of your tips.

About the cold approaching, can you tell me more about it? Sounds familiar but I'm not quite sure how.

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It's time that you stop being Walter White and become Heisenberg.

Be a badass. Badasses don't wait for IOI they create interest with their charisma.

Don't be too worried about the outcome... remember any rejection empowers you to learn more about your approach.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:07 pm 
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Badasses don't wait for IOI they create interest with their charisma.
The intrigue is indeed CREATED instants after the approach begins, unless the guy approaches AAF (as a friend).


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You shouldn't rely on IOIs to open a girl. You are missing out on a lot of girls if you do that. If you have AA, trying just doing warm up sets by opening and leaving within a few seconds or open hired guns as they have to be polite to you. You can also force an IOI from a girl if you maintain eye contact and then smile. If she smiles back, you're in.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:52 pm 
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Alright, guys. I didn't have time to sarge this week. I'm planning on sarging tommorrow. Thanks for all your tips. I'll try cold approaching, and yes, I'm kinda new to this game. I love what you said about walter white. haha. Wish me luck for tommorrow guys. I'll post results. damn I feel excited.

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a really good way to continue the conversation after the opener is to stack openers, you might want to use a differnt type of opener

such as if you open with an opinion opener then stack with a complement opener

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