Hi, guys! I've stumbles across this web site and I find it very interesting. It's a nice insight on men's mentality and behavior. As a woman I personally don't find it offensive and pleased to see how many of you are actually respectful while talking about girls. I expected to see a lot worse.
Anyway I want to tell the ones that have a problem picking up girls is that you are over-thinking your strategies too much. I'll tell you my story just to give a clear perspective. I was born and raised in Eastern Europe and guys there don't have any kind of problems with women. Usually women are the ones trying to attract men and we have a lot of beautiful girls. Growing up I was always considered to be one of the prettiest among my friends. So my attitude towards my appearance was rather cocky. Until I came to the USA when I was 18. I was in college back home and I really wanted to practice my English so my parents paid for me to get into student exchange program. I flew to America to stay with a family who owned a coffee shop so I could also work there which would be a great way for me to socialize and learn the language as well as culture. As any foreigner going to a different country I was curious to go out with an American guy (not necessarily sleeping but I kept my mind open Once I started working I was surprised of how many good-looking guys America had to offer. However over the course of several months the only ones that approached me were old men (like 50+) and some ghetto rats. I couldn't understand why none of the guys my age (or at least 10 years older) didn't like me. I began to think it was either my accent either the fact that they didn't like where I was from.
There was one guy who was coming in all the time with his coworkers. He looked like he just stepped out of a magazine and to this day I think he is the hottest guy I've ever seen. He was always nice to me and always smiled at me but our conversation would never go beyond "How are you?" "Do you like it here?" "What school are you going to?" I was hoping that he liked me but I wasn't sure if he was just being polite. As more and more time passed I became convinced that he didn't really like me because it had been months since the first time I met him. I had a month and a half until I was going back home. I was about to stop working and start traveling to different states to see more of the US before I left. One morning I was in a great mood because I called my mom and she told me they were considering buying me a car. I was all smiling standing behind the register when my major crush walked in. Because I was so happy that day I decided to ask him out. I figured I was going home soon and if he rejects me I was never gonna see him again. When he finally came to the register I said: "You know I think you are very handsome and I was wondering if you want to hang out sometime?" He gave me the biggest smile and told me he would love to go out. We went out that same night and I asked why he never asked me for my number. his response was: "I didn't know how to approach you. I was waiting for the right moment. Besides I figured you had a boyfriend. All the guys think you are hot." While of course I was flattered I couldn't help but to feel kinda frustrated. That whole time I was wondering what was wrong with me while guys simply felt intimidated to the point that they wouldn't even approach me!
The point of my story is Guys, don't be scared to talk to women. When you like a girl come up to her and say: "Hey, I think you are beautiful. Do you want to grab a drink after work?" Or something like that. There is no right moment or a perfect pick-up line. If you keep seeing the same girl at a store, or a restaurant, or a gym it doesn't matter how many times you make an eye contact or smile at her. When a girl likes a guy she knows it within the first minute she meets him. Of course you shouldn't act like a douche but if a girl doesn't like you what you say to her doesn't really matter. Make your intentions clear, let her know you like her and see if she likes you too. If she doesn't she will say No. And then you just move on. Eventually you will meet the one who will feel the same way about you. If that guy who I was talking about asked me for my number the first time he walked through the door I would've gave it to him right then and there.

Paragraphs Kitten, I almost went blind for a second!

Other wise, the insight is fine.

Maybe some of these young men will listen coming from a softer voice, instead of relentless being called a pussy.

Now be a sweetie, take your shirt off and make me a sandwich.




Oh, one more thing.

What do you think of men that are to 'gun shy' to initiate sex, even when your clearly (in your mind) throwing yourself at them?

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to be honest you're right to a certain extent, but like you said you're from eastern Europe, american girls are SOOOOO MUCH more confusing.....a line like "Hey, I think you are beautiful. Do you want to grab a drink after work" would not work as well as you think it would.....girls literally like funny assholes who treat them like dirt lol (not really that bad but you know) you have to be a smooth smooth guy to get a number off a compliment like that....those ghetto rats that tried to talk to you are the type most girls where im from like....they like that thug, swag, gangster type of boy because they're a challenge, they don't want a guy to sweep them off their feet or to have some type of fairy tale romance, they want to struggle and know they overcame so much lol idk why.................BUT it's gotten to a point where so many guys realized that, so they just gave up and feel as if they have no chance (why no guys tried to talk to you)......now im the type to go up to a girl call her beautiful or compliment her and get good results, but i still have better results being that asshole that most girls like.........ever heard of Elliot Rodger? yeah he was a creepy little fuck that did horrible things that he should go to hell for, but alot of girls really don't like the so called "nice guy" that would say something like "Hey, I think you are beautiful. Do you want to grab a drink after work"

no it's no strategy to get girls but it still takes way more thought than you think....a good PUA can get almost any girl because they know how to approach and talk to any type of girl

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It is all stated right there for you from a creature with t*ts, gentlemen. Let the women you have been stalking for god knows how long, know that you find them attractive and should hang out. What is the worst that can happen?

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only twice have i been afraid to talk to a girl and each time when i finally told them how i felt, they thought i was creepy, now i have approach maybe 200 girls and only been rejected by 5 (besides the 2 that thought i was creepy) so i think you should talk to them but don't let them know you find them attractive, for some reason alot of girls get big headed quick lol

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Only thing I don't like about this ladies advice is that the guy did not approach and say she was beautiful.
He left suspense in her mind b/c as she admits, she never knew if he was interested in her or not. When there's the element of unknown in her mind, it allows her time to be attracted to him. I'm a firm believer in that hot girls hear all the time the theme of "you are hot, lets have drinks" and they are bored with the line. If they are hot, then instantaneously their ego may like hearing it, but it's not what they want to hear from a potential mate. My guess is had this guy approached her the first day they noticed each other with that line, it would have been a turn off to her, b/c his intentions were known to her. She may have looked beyond a poor opening line and still saw potential, but it's rarely an effective line to attractive women

No, you misinterpreted my whole point. If he DID approach me and told me I was beautiful I would've gave him my phone number right then and there. I liked him from the moment I saw him. We (girls) either like you either we don't, no matter what pick-up line you have. You, guys, seem to not understand one thing. Every single woman is not available to you. I'm sorry but it's true. You think you can approach the hottest girl and as long as you know what to say to her you will be able to get her. NO NO NO! Please, learn to accept that some girls are not attracted to you no matter what pick-up line you have. That's why I told you guys to go and test the water by approaching and complementing first. Either she likes you either she don't! If you are aiming for a ten you better be a ten yourself. Otherwise no pick-up line can get you there.

Now I see some guys really think there is some kind of men who are able to pick up ANY girls Like southern_gentlemangq posted "a good PUA can get almost any girl because they know how to approach and talk to any type of girl". I'm in my mid 20's. I'm a very good looking girl, I have a good carrier now but I worked as a bartender throughout my (American) school. Being a bartender you see it all! Honestly I've never ever met a guy like that (the one that can pick up whoever). Since I subscribed to this web site I got an email saying something like: " I'm one of the guys who is average looking but can get any girl as oppose to a model looking guy blah, blah, blah" I'm sorry but I think it's way easier to brag online instead of really being the one. It's all bs. You guys shouldn't concentrate on all the nonsense you hear and just be yourselves.

The advice is contradictory. You say guys shouldn't worry too much about approaching and give a story about a great looking guy who you had a crush on who you found out was just afraid to approach you. This guy may have just had to ask you out to get laid, but what about a less attractive or short guy? If a guy like that had simply asked you out you would've probably said no. The reason guys use strategies is to make up for the physical traits they may lack.

One of the biggest bullshit in PUA is that jaded line that personality alone can get you laid. Nah.

As the OP says, women are as visual as men and that difference in visual attraction between men versus women is quite slim. I've created a Facebook account a few days ago for some work-related stuff. Guess what? The hottest women tend to look at your profile more when you have posted more of your good looking photos. The hottest women also look at your profile more when you have half naked pictures in there.

On the other hand, the uglies and fatties tend to be first in your InitialChatFriends list once you have deleted those photos and just let the power of your personality (humor in your About page, profile description, status, etc.) do the sarging for you.

To be an all-around good seducer, men should work a great deal on the physical aspects too. Work out. Groom well. Dress good. Smell nice.

When that's done, the PUA technical stuff gets easier. However, this does not mean that when a dude is ugly, he'll never get laid.

As an example, put an ugly/fatty in a room alone with a dude. Put some beer in there. Run up some porn movies and I assure you, the dude is going to fuck that ugly/fatty within three hours or so.

Women are the same. Put a hot woman alone in a room with an ugly man with a beer belly. Run up a string of porn movies. And tadah, I assure you, that woman is going get her pussy wet and fuck that ugly man.

Hence, when noobs learn to isolate women and make them horny, they'll get laid. But first, they have to learn how to approach women more efficiently.

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Interesting perspective, thank you, but Im sure that wont work in most of the US. Especially California. Girls are about playing with hearts here not being honest and cool. But if nothing else I certainly want to go see what Europe is like as far as the women lol.

A guy could be forgiven for thinking girls know their own minds

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Ya know what the ballpark argument doesn't cut it ive seen quite a few fat ugly guys with girls who are out of their ballpark. It could probably be money but I am sure with some of them its game.

A less attractive or short guy should be aiming for girls of his level of attractiveness. There wouldn't be a pick-up line or a strategy for him to make up for physical traits he is lacking. He is simply not able to get a 10 if he is a 5 himself no matter what comes out of his mouth... I'm sorry but it's the same with you guys. You don't want any fat and ugly women no matter what they say. You guys all have standards. So do we.

P.S. What makes you think he gets laid after asking for a phone number? A phone number doesn't mean you are getting f*cked. In my case he had to work hard and he is actually my husband now (8 years later).

Thank you, thank you, thank you! You nailed it (uhmmm, most of it)! Well, that's very true. Women like nice bodies. We don't really find men ugly based on their facial features but rather on their physical appearance. If you are fat and are trying to get laid, you need to work out. If you are a skinny dork then you need to work out. You don't have to be a WWE fighter but girls do look for a manly man not some kinda of a computer genius or a couch-potato Madden champion. We have to feel physically attracted to you. Work on yourselves if you are trying to expand the range of women that are available to you. Do you think we don't? Women go through so much pain, money, and time to be more attractive. So why do you guys think you should just come up with some pick-up line and we should all fall to your feet? Good post, babe

Just wondering, how do you trap a HB in the same room with an ugly guy watching porn?

Yes but most of you feel like you can change it if you say certain things and unfortunately it doesn't work that way.