I've been lurking this forum for about a month and I just got out of a 2 year relationship. I ended it recently because she had been lying to me about literally everything. I know I made a lot of mistakes in the relationship and I have definitely learned A LOT.

Anyway, I read a post on here about opening and getting over AA, and it suggested approaching women, and asking what time it is. Just to get more comfortable approaching strangers.

I thought about it a little, and created this routine.

Chef64: Hey, could you tell me the time? My phone died ( make sure your phone is actually turned off incase it vibrates or makes a noise, or she sees it on )

in most cases, she will take out her own phone to check the time and tell you.

now pay attention to what phone she has. if it's a blackberry, say something like "i had a feeling you would be a blackberry girl". if its an iphone or any other phone you recognize, replace blackberry with that.

if she has a case on her phone, or she has the same phone as you, or her phone has a huge crack in it, make a comment or ask a question. pay attention to little details that could easily make a conversation.

keep it short, and when you're done with her, say "anyway, it's later than I thought it was, and I actually need to get going. id get your number, but my phone is dead, so ill just give you mine"

only offer your number if she seemed interested in you and gave IOIs


I'd like to hear from some MPUAs about this idea. I haven't field tested it yet cause I haven't really had a chance, but if any of you try this, i'd love to hear how it went.

its literally just small talk like that, that open sets

Something alot of newbie's dont realise

so your doing a good thing

Soncheese x

I don't think it is a bad "default" I am trying to put together three defaults to use when my mind chokes up and I have nothing to say...

However, it could be funny to pull out your phone and look at the time saying "no shit, you're right!" when she pulls hers out to give you the time...

Then you could say "Hey, it is later than I thought it was but you look like the type of girl I'm trying to meet (replace this banter with whatever the hell you want) — but I have to get back to XXXXXXXX so I can I just get your number instead?"

Maybe then, send her a quick text within a few minutes "I knew you were one of those (blackberry / iphone / android) girls.

Then, maybe come up with some stupid response for when she says "WTF do you mean about that).

Maybe a routine about how good in bed a girl is based on the kind of phone she has...

She must be irresponsible or dangerous (if it is cracked and beat up)

Or that she is a nerd (blackberry)

She is a spoiled trend-a-holic or fashionista (or whatever a good neg along those lines would be) — iPhone or any custom "jeweled up" phone case.

Or a ghetto chick (if she is rocking a Cricket phone or pre-paid).

She is a rebel and hates trendy people (Android) — yeah, I can probably come up with something better for Android...

But you get the idea. I am going to put this in my "defaults" and see what happens.

Take some detail about the phone and text as a neg back to her.

See what she does and then escalate / stack / build attraction from there. Go for the date quickly though.

great post. i really like your ideas. I wanna try this, but if I go out with the intention of sarging, i'm too nervous. i can easily ask a stranger, no matter how attractive they are, what the time is. but when it comes to getting phone numbers, i'm not sure I feel ready yet. I'd say i have a good understanding of PUA skills on paper, but i really need to practise.

this actually sounds very interesting, i want to try it out. but here is a question: what do you do if there are two and they both pull out their phones. I dont know if that makes any difference to your game as I am new to pick up but I would like to know what you guys would do

maybe just approach and say "hey, could either of you tell me the time? my phone is dead"

lots of possible things could happen next. both of them might take out their phones, maybe only one of them will. maybe they both give you slightly different times like 6:46 and 6:48 ( this might make a funny situation, especially if they start to argue about who's clock is more accurate )

but i think you could still use the same routine as if there was one girl. just try to get them both involved somehow. as for number closing when theres 2 girls, i'm not exactly sure how that would be done. you might have to isolate one. good luck! let me know how it goes if you try it out.

ok so you can open the same. and pretty much do the same routine or edit it on spot depending on what happends, but how do you sperate the girls.
hahaha actually thinking about it. why not just approach one girl for starters make it simple

no idea. lol. im not really experienced. but, just try the opener and see what happens. if the conversation dies, just tell them its later than you thought, and you need to get going.

My day game is so full of excuses it is pathetic.

I just had a fucking FNL last night, holy shit was that one wild night...

But then today — as I am walking down the street during lunch I CHOKED again on 2 solid opportunities.

The first one was a HB9 that walked straight towards me, but while trying to make eye contact through her sunglasses I could not see if she was returning my gaze and I didn't bother asking her the time. Just a straight up choke.

Then another HB9 is across the street from me at an intersection walking the opposite way — I make eye contact with her briefly, then when the light turns green, instead of walking towards me, she makes a 180 turn and walks the same direction as me slightly ahead of me.

So I tell myself that I am going to either ask her for the time — or I am going to ask "Do you know where (whatever is right in front of me) is?" as my opener.

THEN...

She stops at the public toilet LMFAO — and starts digging through her purse for change and reading the instructions on the door and THAT SHIT just creeped me out because the public toilet (which I have NEVER seen another human being EVER USE since the city put this thing in place to keep drunks from pissing in people's alleyways) — I totally choked LMFAO...

THEN... as it always happens — about 20 seconds later I think that I should have yelled to the girl "HEY!!!!! You DO NOT want to go in THERE!!!!" and see what she would say back — but once again, my day game delay is just 20 seconds too fucking slow.


I keep saying the girls here in my town are stone cold bitches when it comes to day game, but I also know that shit is also just in my head (however real it may be) — but the whole "Hi" opener has never worked for me during the day.

So, one thing I am thinking I will say when I sprout some balls and start going after my biggest PUA obstacle, (day game street openers) — to pull some OBVIOUS gambit (like asking for the time and then looking at my watch when she tells me going "Yup, you're right" — or asking her where something is that I am standing right in front of...

And THEN when she laughs or whatever say — "I just wanted to meet you, and lately the whole 'Hello, I'm (PUA)' thing hasn't been working to well!"

Or maybe something like that with less DLV on myself... Maybe... "I just wanted to meet you, but women around here don't respond to the traditional 'Hello, I'm (PUA)' thing!"

I only got back into the game a month and a half ago, and I've made significant progress. My target last night said she has never been seduced like that in her entire life, and is HOOKED, and I simply ran my textbook "home turf" multi-venue routine which seems to work about 80% of the time.