What i'm saying is are there some girls that will only dance with you if you start grinding up against them? (I guess this would display the "i don't give a fuck" attitude and absolute confidence)

Also if a girl rejects you when you ask her to dance, what's the best way of going about it the second time?

Yeah, some girls love that. But at the same time, a solid close # or pull is not gonna happen. Unless your a really good looking guy with a cool style.

I was actually going to ask this question Ouch.

I went out the the other night and there were many girls just dancing by themselves, and some with their female friends. So I decided to experiment..I went up to 6 girls and started grinding on them (I approached such that they could see me coming though) and they all danced with me. I did not go for closes.

Then I tried going up to girls and asking them to dance, and I got rejected everytime. This one chick said "ok in a while" so I sort of hung around since we were enjoying a performance. Then when I tried to dance with her, she looked at me like wtf and her friend basically walled her off from me.

I'm puzzled by this result, since most times you open a girl by saying something. But it seems whenever I open my mouth things go south.

Yeah but that's probably because you don't justify why u wanna dance with the girl. I some time just tease them that they can't dance/qualify them or just grab the hand and lead them to the dance floor. If u're just asking 'do u wanna dance?' chances are big she wouldn't comly

When I go up to a girl and just start dancing/grinding, I get shot down probably 50% of the time. I think my problem is when I approach directly from their back, would probably have better success if I came from the side and they saw me first.

Some girls only want to dance with certain guys, some just want to dance with their friends, some are lesbos, there's a dozen reasons.

But yes there are some freaky-ass girls who just want to break off as many dudes as they can. They're easy to spot because they're usually with a different guy every song or are pulling some insane moves. But I agree # closing after doing that is unlikely, unless you can show her some good moves and be fun and show youre not just some desperate guy feeling her up. I've never progressed further or # closed after opening like that, and it's probably harder if the girl is older than 18 (I went to under 18 clubs in high school and the girls were easier because they were less defensive).

Opening with "you wanna dance?" Has never worked for me and is a poor opener imo.

Sticking around made you look needy. You may have thought you were both enjoying a performance, she was probably thinking "I tell this guy 'in a while' and then I can't get rid of him."

Some other things could have happened:

1) Some women with low self-esteem or little club experience are afraid to simply tell a guy no. She could have meant it, but she couldn't say it...her friend knew what it meant though.
2) Some women go to clubs to dance with heir friends. Only 100% of the guys go there with the idea of getting laid, not 100% of the women.
3) Seeing you grind with 6 women could have activated the anti-slut defense in other women by making you look like a guy who is only interested in sex. It may have been different if you knew the dancing women and everybody could see that it was all just for fun.

Reading some of this fucks with my pscyhe! wow maybe i should lay off the forums.

I grab anyone I fucking want!

Lol that's really the best mindset, you're bound to find at LEAST one girl who recognizes you are a fun guy and decides to give in. And when that happens you'll forget about the last stuck up, boring chick that just rejected you.

That's the natural kind of game I used to do in high school. After being out of the game for a while I notice i dissect alot.

girls love it if u get a hard-on on while grinding....it lets them know that you mean business!

Definately! the best method for sure is to get black out drunk and take a viagra so that the grinding will be enough stimulation to maintain.

I guarantee that if a chich notices you can keep it rock solid for a few songs she will be working out ways to ride it later.