A little about myself before I start:
Been reading, learning and enjoying the benefits of PuA for around 4months now.
I am in my first year at Uni and turning 19 next month.

Ok, now to the man stuffz!
The clubs in NZ especially the ones where the usual 18-19yrs go are all loud (hard to have openers) most in the club are on the dance floor except the occasional guy sitting down with the girl (however, the people sitting down are mostly hardout AFC's anyway without a chick).

The situation seems to have groups (clubbing in NZ is quite odd.. ) groups of guys, groups of girls and the occasional mixed group which is easy picking due to opening on the guys.

I see most guys are AFC, and are just hovering behind the girls or around them and you can tell they are creped out by it.
I think this may be the cause of the music being loud and none have the confidence just to grab her (and depending on your look, and how you do it it's not the best thing to do either!).

I have successfully picked up girls in the last 2 months (when i've been studying) in the clubs, however, I know it can be a lot easier.

I am thinking direct approaches such as but not limited to:
"Hey, you're cute, but beauty is common, is there more to you than just a pretty face?"
"Hey, if you're going to stare you might as-well say hi, it's the polite thing to do!"

Also the general look over and smile and maintain eye contact and see if they smile back is a good sign that she's game.

My question is, what are your guys opinions, experiences, advice and by all means, if you're in NZ (either studying or in general) and you have any knowledge of gaming NZ girls, let me know!

Cheers and thanks a ton.
Serenity

hey bro im also from new zealand and i totally know what you mean,
im in auckland,
should go for a sarge
hit me up on facebook
cairo culley
chur

I dropped you a private.

hey man where bouts do you live? im in wellington if you need a wingman to help you out

We're both in Auckland man, but hey if you have any advice would be much appreciated.

We ended up going sarging tonight; mostly talked and I got with this girl that I though was cute through a friend.

Not much PuA Sarging went on, but still.

Yeah totally know what you mean with the clubs in NZ but i've had success nonetheless (i'm in Dunedin but grew up in Auckland scouring the waterfront and "town" like an AFC. Here I my tips which could help.. or be obvious or useless.

*The Dancefloor is a trap: I tend to avoid opening sets on the Dfloor coz basically you can't run openers or routines... However I broke my rule once recently when I was drunk and felt some resistance from a girl at which point i said loudly into her ear "Pitty i'm gay or you'd so be my type." This was one of the most effective false disqualifiers I ever used and she immediately loved my company and was in her bed within the next hour. This leads me to my next point

*"If you are in a loud club and you can't hear a girl then you can always tell her to move within a location so to create the possibility of talking and gaming by either intriguing her "I wanna show you something, lets go over there" adding something like "I'll return you in 5 minutes" always helps and adds a time constraint.
Now you have shifted within the location to be heard, you can proceed with game, routines, threading and fluffing to build rapport.

*99% of the time I will open sets in an NZ club if they are not on the dance floor and and look like there wont be an external interrupt immediately into my set. For example a single girl txting can be opened with "Why are you standing here by yourself looking so mysterious" or "You've got that look on your face like you've done something bad and gotten away with it - then move into another opener or routine etc. Another opener which i've used multiple times on sets with just girls in it (usually 2's) is the "Do I look gay...because I got hit on..." (this actually happened and girls usually laugh) they will usually point out something you're wearing or your hair etc. Then you can move onto another opener/convo.

*Finally I think a lot of guys in NZ clubs tend to walk in and walk around the club then end up either on the Dfloor or back where they started - this is fatal coz you dont wanna be seen walking around (unless you're with a girl) coz you will seen predatory and DLV and when a girl sees a guy looking around the room then he is obviously not having much fun and DLV and come across as an AFC.
A big advantage is to go in the club with a high energy level (make up a funny unbelievable story with your friends and laugh and banter about it as you enter the club then pick a spot and continue talking with a high energy level and loudly so to draw attention to yourselves (do you wanna be the observer or the observed? PUA or AFC?) Then proceed to pick out sets while subtly looking over a friends shoulder then open.

Hope this helps

Lovebird

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Lovebird

Oh cool, i go up to auckland every now and then to visit my parents and go sarging with some dudes i know in auckland. I'll drop you a pm when im in auckland, probably sometime in the next 3-4 months. You guys part of the aucklandliar?

I am a recent member. But it seems that the forum is down?

yeah it seems to go down every now and then for some reason...

You should pm a dude called skyy on that forum, hes an awesome dude to sarge with ive been out with him a couple of times.

Had a try with it last night, seemed to work.
Although, most of the good looking girls are on the dance floor with the Clubs I tend to go to such as: Margies, Met and Code, Cassette, Globe ( the usual 18-20 clubs/bars). Was there any that you knew that could be better for sarging?

I know what you mean with those loud clubs... I did a research project which involved noise induced hearing loss in clubs and needless to say you won't be heard by a girl on the dancefloor unless you project loudly into hear ear.

Unless you ooze confidence and AMOGness, your opening attempts on the dance floor will mostly fail. Even though most good looking girls may be on the dance floor, they wont be there 100% of the time. Here are some tips if you wanna open on the loud dfloor:
1) Always have a higher energy level than girls
2) Have a good size social circle: At least with one girl pivot that will make you value increase
3) If you spot or lock eyes with a hottie, use the 3 second rule. Use the line "You look fun" with heaps of energy and grab her hand and twirl.
4) Never be caught "prowling" or checking out hot girls = DLV. You are having more fun than everyone else. Fun is infectious. Smile, Laugh, act spontaneous when you approach any girl. These are all traits of an AMOG
5)Never approach a girl/set directly in front or behind. Come in from an angle. Eye contact is so important. An amog knows what he wants. An AFC will act shy and hope she'll open him... Rarely happens... You have to make the move.
6) There are always quieter parts in the clubs you can game girls and run openers and routines. I generally use the dance floor as a location shift after getting IOI's. Think of it this way. Would you walk up to a girl or set in the street and use body language to get her to like you?? No, you have a reason to approach her.
7) If you approach a girl on the dance floor - a proven way of getting rid of her bitch shield is the line - "Too bad i'm gay or you'd so be my type"... It's not lying, it's flirting. Basically a way of saying she's hot but not look like an AFC.

Tips for next time:
*Try opening sets in the lines or outside - Ask an opinion opener: "Who lies more" of "Jealous girlfriend opener" - Act as if you have somewhere to go until the hookpoint when they accept you into the convo

* Ask a set if they know where a particular bar is then directly open
e.g "You guys know where I/we can find Cassette?"
Girls give directions
"How far is it?"
They tell you.. then cut them off in the middle and act cocky
"I actually made that up, I just thought you/you guys were cute! Like literally I don't care where it is "

Cut that thread and ask for their names and introduce yourself.. Maybe ask them how they know each other... Then run a routine if you want.
If there's any resistance then you can always just say you gotta go but give me your number and we should hang out.. if that fails then politely excuse yourself.
The key is to be confident.. look each person in the eye... and act cocky/funny.

Its all trial and error. The more you approach the more you are likely to succeed.

Hope this helps,

Lovebird


Had a try with it last night, seemed to work.
Although, most of the good looking girls are on the dance floor with the Clubs I tend to go to such as: Margies, Met and Code, Cassette, Globe ( the usual 18-20 clubs/bars). Was there any that you knew that could be better for sarging?

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Lovebird

Depends on what you are after man. Are you after an in depth conversation, or are you just looking to get laid?

Ultimately, if you are just looking to pick up for the night then you need to understand a high percentage of girls in that club will be looking for the same thing, only would never be able to admit so.

I've found picking your girl, waiting till she is approachable IE.g not in conversation with friends (where she will be more guarded) and shooting straight by avoiding cheap pickup lines you will have more success.

Thanks a ton L-Bird, your advice has been very helpful, looking forward to trying it out on Wednesday night!
Curious, how long have you been practising PuA?
Is there anyway I could contact you directly for future reference?

I've known and read books about pua for a couple of years now. Just hit me up with a pm or email if you wanna contact me: laurencemossman@gmail.com

there are lots of beautiful girls in auckland so go out and approach. The most important aspect of PUA to me is the journey. Its a catalyst to meet new and interesting people, create funny stories and improve self confidence and find your identity (not to imitate an identity or create a robot). If you find yourself taking things seriously, take a step back and enjoy the scenery.

Have fun and keep us updated

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When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead - True Story.

Lovebird

This is quite an old post but I thought I'd reply in case anyone reads this. I'm 23 from the UK and living just outside Auckland for about 8 months while I study. I used to be into the pua community, ive met Gambler and most of the main pua's in the UK. But I had a girlfriend for about 2 years so basically got really out of practice.

I know a lot about the game and was pretty good a few years ago, but just need to meet a few like minded guys to get back into it. Just wondering if anyone from NZ is up for a bit of sarging now and then. The community seems so small over here, so if anyone is out there give me a PM or reply to this.

Cheers