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Before reading, know this:
I am not selling a product.
I am not a coach.
I am not gaining anything by doing this, save the critique and gratitude of a bunch of men on the internet.

I AM mister know-allot and I WANT

others to have what I have.
others to know the luxury of looking down on the masses the way I do.
others to gain that pua-inspired, patronizing expression that says:

'I know something you don't... YOU cannot touch me.'

The one that makes the men think you've got a deck's-worth of trump-cards.
The one that causes the women to scan you up and down, searching for your 'deck' when they think you aren't looking, ONLY to have their focus slammed back into their HOT-AS-FUCK-physiques, when they realize that you are.

As you must have realized by now. I'm an enthusiast. Blame PU.
But I know it isn't like this for everyone.
I know allot of you have gotten off to a shitty start.
This guide's for YOU and those who don't want to end up like you (no offense).

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(This is you)

You see, there's something that, despite sounding like a bold claim, is actually common knowledge among-st allot of inspired PUAs.
Something that tends to slip away from us. Those who don't remind themselves (write down their own epiphanies and reread them from time to time) are bound to forget it.
So here's me writing it down for you.

The cornerstone of PUA (Social Success)
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Every single human being is equipped with certain attributes that QUE (signal) his/her perceived self-worth (relative to his/her environment) TO their environment.

For instance. A man might be wearing expensive clothing, feeling out of sorts, looking jumpy and affected by his surroundings (The 'flinch' apparent on his face). It doesn't take a team of scientists to figure out the man isn't used to wearing said clothing.
We see it, but as we can't fully pinpoint 'why', we tend to doubt it's validity.

It's not a subject that requires allot of faith, seeing as how we all seem to implicitly know it. Yet it is only when we consciously know it, that we can successfully use it to our advantage (Corner stone PU).

First, it's important to realize that our self-worth is relative to that of the person in front of us.
It's not constant.
It's not a set of points that remain somewhat steady throughout the day.
It's something that's felt comparatively. Relative to others.

If the person in front of you feels confident, you'll see it.
If said person is nervous, you'll see that too.

You don't need classes. You don't need to analyse his or her behavior.
We react to these signals instinctively. Meaning, without a conscious thought.
That goes trice for women.

Now for the most important part,
it's time to take notice of 'the hack'. The kicker (The one that keeps kicking long after you're down). I've heard someone call it 'Interactive worth-assessment'.
This is how it works:

(1)If you perceive your worth as lesser than that of a certain individual, this lesser sense of worth will express itself to that individual. (Facial Expression, tone, stance, verbal interaction)
(2)This individual will likely perceive his own worth higher to that of yours because of it and his higher sense of worth will be expressed back to you. (Facial Expression, tone, stance, etc.)
(3)This individual's behavior (Facial Expression, tone, stance, etc.) will make you feel lesser in worth because of it. Again, you will express this.
(4) And so forth.

(Opposite scenario works in a similar, if not identical, fashion)

But how do I influence these ques and signals/beacons?
As I've noted. The main one IS OUR FACE.

Our expressions. So to put it bluntly.
The brunt of our goal coincides with acquiring the following type of expression:

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(aw-yeah-face)

But Quill, it can't possibly be THAT easy, you say?
Yes, it is THAT 'easy'.
But no, It isn't easy.
Sure, changing your facial expression will have impact. Immediate impact, even.

But those who've ever tried their hand at acting have already figured it out.
It's hard to keep it up.
It's hard to mask jumpiness.
If you don't FEEL the self-worth that comes with THIS expression... you won't be able to hold it for very long or in some cases... even achieve it. You'll flinch.

You see, our faces change constantly during the day. Different at every interaction.
Sense of worth, self or that of another, is a dynamic business.

Therefore, for most, it is NOT the expression, stance, tone of voice we want, it is the underlying sense of self-worth that triggers them.

Is this starting to sound like a cliche yet?
Good. Success breeds success and confidence is what you need might stock you up on corn and cheese, but damnit... they're true.
AND here's where it gets confusing for most. It brings us to our next point.

How do we influence this sense of self-worth using PU?
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Use routines? Go natural?
First thing to consider is 'I Am not talking about fucking chicks.'
I'm talking about the behaviors that make up an attractive individual.
Each method has it's own merits when it comes to 'fucking chicks'.
But even those with the least attractive behaviors can 'fuck more chicks' if they added in the 'luck-factor/numbers-game'. So forget chicks for a moment. And think of what constitutes an attractive individual.

Someone who expresses high self-worth to his surroundings. A person who looks unflinchingly and consistently like Alec Baldwin :P. (Grain of salt)

Why Natural-game works:
It's about comfort. A comfortable person expresses high self-worth. It's nearly impossible to have 'fun' in an unknown enviroment (Club) if you feel 'lesser' to the people around you, whether that be as a group vs. surroundings or as an individual.

Why Routine-game works:
You try and manipulate the signals you're sending out.
People who succeed at this usually don't do so because of their intimate knowledge of their non-verbal communications (Face, Stance, walk, tone, etc)... At least, not at first. They Succeed because of the trust they adopt from their routine.
Their sense of control is apparent on their faces.
They're walking around, using their opinion openers, body rocking techniques faultily (again, at first...) but they're doing it with their aw-yeah-faces on.
Then when the novelty of their new found skills grows old, they have a dry spell.

Routines don't work as well as they used to. They keep at it. Gain control of their 'beacons'/'signals' or better said, LEARN TO ACT.
They come back twice as strong.
Higher self-worth because of their new-found-skill. And showing more attractive behavior by conscious effort.

They faked it till they made it.

More on this later.

Reread as needed.


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hahha great post, well written as well

it took me a while to respond, couse thispost gave me a huge boner... and writing to a dude, with a boner, seemed rather gay

most of the puas are parading their worth while their faces scream "please! believe me!" thats obviously not going to work. and if it works, its despite that

subcomunicating your worth, with your presence, with your face, works a lot better

BUT! you can learn how to lie, you can learn how to act, and im not talking about in Stanislavskian means.


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Quill you gotta love me for this :-).

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DJ Fuji of Mehow Inc. describe the fundamentals of routine stacking in game:

Routine stacking is one of THE most important things you can do to improve your game. Unless you have extraordinary natural ability, not committing to a routine stack is extremely counterproductive. In this article we’ll take a closer look at not only why stacking is so important, but how to actually sit down and create your own stack. We’ll identify the structure and major components, show how to deal with contingencies, and talk about some of the subtleties that will make the difference between success and failure (or as we like to say, “learning”).

As its name implies, routine stacking is the combining of multiple routines (“stacking”) one atop another until you’ve created a 5-15 minute script you can use to automate your approaches. It’s by far one of the most important skills to have in the beginner or intermediate levels of pickup. Even if you’re advanced or naturally skilled, a routine stack is something that will always benefit you. It’s like wearing a helmet on a motorcycle. Even if you’re the best rider in the world, there are times when a helmet will save your ass.

There are a few key reasons why stacking is so important to your overall development.

The first is that it solves 90% of approach anxiety (AA). Whether or not you subscribe to the evolutionary theory behind AA, nearly everyone will agree that being prepared alleviates a significant amount of anxiety in any activity. If you think about an activity you’re confident at and have little anxiety towards, chances are, that activity is something you’re good at or something in which you have significant experience or preparation doing. For example, experience level aside, public speaking is most anxiety-inducing when we are unprepared. Talking about something we are unfamiliar with and are worried about will always generate more anxiety than talking about a subject with which we are intimately familiar. Routine stacking, then, fixes this by automating your verbals. The first objection most newbies give when being sent into set is “what do I say?” This is their intuition telling them that going into a situation without a game plan is suicide. But having this accounted for instantly alleviates this concern. While it does not always eliminate approach anxiety, it severely reduces its symptoms. Stacking is akin to a presidential State of the Union speech being prepared in advance by speechwriters. The best public speakers, while surely possessing great improvisational abilities, still rehearse and prepare their speeches in advance. If these professionals are routine stacking, why aren’t you?

Another key point to stacking is its affect on your subcommunication. The majority of communication takes place on a non-verbal level. Why are we focusing on verbals then? Because the human mind is generally only capable of focusing on one thing at a time during stressful moments. Put differently, if you’re constantly thinking about what to say next, you won’t be able to consciously fix your subcommunication and body language ticks. So the biggest things that will blow you out (pecking, leaning in, not locking in, tonality, apologetic body language, etc.) will continue to blow you out because you won’t be able to fix them. But when you have a routine stack “in the can” (meaning memorized and naturalized), you’ll be able to focus on body language and the critical subcommunication that will make or break your set. Your learning curve will significantly improve by being able to consciously fix your body language and nonverbal while in field.

In the same manner, stacking also allows you to keep on the right track when you have not developed the field intuition to naturally follow the correct course towards escalation. Think of your stack as a map to your destination. If you know the terrain well you can get around without a map. You’ll take the correct roads to get to your destination. But if you are unfamiliar with the area, navigating without a map means going around in circles and difficulty moving in the right direction. For example, a common sticking point among new students is not knowing what comes next. Because they’re focusing on what to say, it becomes impossible for them to step back and figure out what the next phase of the interaction is. They get distracted by the current conversational threads and are unable to lead or steer the conversation in the correct direction towards escalation. So they stagnate and stay in attraction too long and never move the interaction forward. Like the terrain of a specific environment, the model of social interaction remains the same. You must move sequentially through the phases of the model in order to escalate the interaction towards the desired outcome. Failure to do this will get you blown out.

Finally, the key distinction between an experienced pickup artist and a newbie is extremely simple: time in field. The difference between Mehow, Mystery, or any of the gurus, and a new student, isn’t height or looks or even clothing. It’s thousands of sets under their belt. And raw experience does one major thing for you: it allows you to see patterns in human interaction. It allows you to, like the champion chess player, anticipate moves five steps ahead so that you are always prepared. Stacking accelerates this process by eliminating variables. The fastest way to systematically solve a problem is to isolate and remove variables. The more variables you eliminate, the more control you have over the process, and thus the “tighter” your game becomes. By routine stacking, you eliminate the verbal variable of your game. So when something goes wrong, you don’t have to worry about it being due to poor content. Because you already know the content is valid, you can then deduce that the problem exists somewhere else—likely, in delivery and subcommunication. Eliminate enough of these other variables and you end up with consistent and reliable results.

These principles and concepts are obviously not unique to any one method or school of thought. No matter if you follow Mystery, Juggler, RSD, PU101, or any of the other systems, stacking will exponentially accelerate your learning curve due to the aforementioned advantages.

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And my 2 cents:

Routines can also give you possessions you do not jet possess.

For instance, if you are afraid of escalating a girl and a typical a-sexual guy. Doing what others tell, give you already some sense how things SHOULD feel. At a certain moment you do really know what you should aim for.

However,yes, 70? percent of your attractiveness is based on your subcommunications. But knowing what to say makes up for a large part of it.

Another large part of this subcommunication is literaly based on what you eat, i am sure at least 40%. Meditation 5%, and exercising helps out a lot too 10%.

All love is good love ;)

Chunk


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:51 am 
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@ Chunk, Alas my love shan't be bought so easily.
I like routines, buts as gintonic says...
The 'Believe me'-face that ruins it most of the time.

As for your claims. Dunno, mate. If you eat right. Sure you'll feel better.
But 40%? mmm
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I'd opt for routines that have no 'lines'.

Like the compliment-trade routines.

1. Compliment a girl
2. Cheekily demand a compliment in return, then rip on her/reward her on the quality of her compliment.
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I assume you do to


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@ Chunk, Alas my love shan't be bought so easily.
I like routines, buts as gintonic says...
The 'Believe me'-face that ruins it most of the time.

As for your claims. Dunno, mate. If you eat right. Sure you'll feel better.
But 40%? mmm
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I'd opt for routines that have no 'lines'.

Like the compliment-trade routines.

1. Compliment a girl
2. Cheekily demand a compliment in return, then rip on her/reward her on the quality of her compliment.
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I assume you do to
Depends.

If she worked well, she deserves a nice compliment.

But usually, jep I use routines for this as well. Especially in the first 10 min.

Example: I like that, but you are kinda weird.

Dude I even open with a love-hate tease.

And this is for me a trained golden rule: with every tease I do a take away, that is, I look slightly away, and yes this is a routine as well.


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gotta love takeaways.
Makes them think: Conditional compliment OR sugarcoated criticism?

either way, you can't take offense to either... It's a way to take the 'jury-seat' with the least amount of resistance
(Resistance being: Who are you to judge me).

For instance.
"I love that" vs. "THAT, I love"
Which one'll be appreciated more, you think?
Which one'll make you more of an authority?

Or "I don't like that" vs. "I like that... but this is kind of weird."
Which one of these'll get least resistance?
Which one of these critiques'll get you safely and Believably into that 'jury-seat'?
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Answer's easy though. No need to think about it. Just repeat em to yourself.

Nice that you brought that up, chunk, THOUGH every girl deserves a compliment. (Take-away ;))


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"Then when the novelty of their new found skills grows old, they have a dry spell"

man, that really hits home!

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gotta love takeaways.
Makes them think: Conditional compliment OR sugarcoated criticism?

either way, you can't take offense to either... It's a way to take the 'jury-seat' with the least amount of resistance
(Resistance being: Who are you to judge me).

For instance.
"I love that" vs. "THAT, I love"
Which one'll be appreciated more, you think?
Which one'll make you more of an authority?

Or "I don't like that" vs. "I like that... but this is kind of weird."
Which one of these'll get least resistance?
Which one of these critiques'll get you safely and Believably into that 'jury-seat'?
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Answer's easy though. No need to think about it. Just repeat em to yourself.

Nice that you brought that up, chunk, THOUGH every girl deserves a compliment. (Take-away ;))
Haha, well, after all, I think you are right...kind of ;)

It is also about how you say things and not so specific about the words used.

What I am trying to tell is this:
Using a specific structure, makes really clear what you still have to work on and what you have to subcommunicate. But getting this subcommunication right, takes at least a year. Dependend on your looks, talent and inner beliefs.

I don't feel ashamed being a routine junkie. Anyways, when I am out of routines, I still know what I have to subcommunicate, and routines were there to teach me.


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I think two of the beautiful thing about routines is that 1) they make for great training wheels for rookies/beginners/newbies who don't really have much cold approach experience and 2) even when you are experienced, they give you something to say to fill up the silence.

For point one, it goes with the age old adage of telling someone to "Be confident" or to "Be yourself". I think it's frustrating to hear someone to say be confident, because if you've spent 20 years being unconfident, how are you just going to turn that on? And I think they'll say the same about being told to be themselves. After 20+ years of being unattractive, it's hard to just continue being unattractive and believe that it's going to get you that hot girl in the line at Starbucks or the girl being hit on by the AMOG at a bar.

I'm no authority on game or anything, but I think having routines is a great way to break into game while you work on making your core self more attractive. Like Chunk said, you can pay less attention to what you're saying and more attention to her reactions (calibration) and your body language until you've become socially sharp enough to kick off the training wheels and develop the social intuition you need to game naturally.

I think I'm waxing philosophical though lol. I'm pretty sure this is stuff a lot of experienced guys know already, but I guess my whole point of saying this was to voice the frustration of my past AFC self.

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Another GREAT reason why routines work... is the following:
Many of them are designed so the woman can be clever. Some of them aren't.
But to me it's always been apparant that sometimes a girl doesn't so much like you... as the situation.
What SHE said. The way SHE acted.

So even when you 'fail' miserably in the value department... the woman could still take charge with her new 'persona'.

She doesn't nececairily like you as much as she likes the way she is when she's with you.

This is what you call 'the story'.

Routines make for great stories.


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