If your at a party and you see an HB who is short, just walk up to her and say "So, hows the party down there?" Make sure your smiling or laughing or whatever. It worked everytime. (Unless of course your short, haha then obviously you cant use this).

BTW, its not only for parties, you can say it at a club or bar. ("So, whats the club like down there?" I think though, that it should primarily be used at social gatherings. "So, hows the coffee shop down there?"... doesnt really work.

IMO this is insult, not a neg. Especially if you use it as an opener. If she is SHB and gives you shits, THEN you can use it, but I would never open with that one.

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well it worked for me everytime. You just gotta let her know your kidding and its all good. Dont be afraid to let your balls hang a bit!

It depends who you opened with it. If you use it on an UG, of course it worked. They are happy whenever anybody aproaches them. You can say shit, she will smile.

Try it on a SHB and then get back with response!

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i dont like it at all. Not good for opener maybe better use for it later. Teasing her height.

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I think your opener is fine. Immediatly, you have singled her out from the crowd, established dominance, and made her aware of your presence. Most opinion openers can't accomplish these three things, rarely can you isolate so quickly. But the pressure does not lie in the opener, but what comes next. Atraction is not built in the opener, but what comes next. Thinking too much about what you should say or do to begin is hardly as important as getting her interacting with you. Once you have attention, then you will see if you can get attration and so on. The opener is fine. No one ever died from an insult.

Guys, maybe it sounds great on the internet and I can believe it is tested in field and can work but only with average or below average girls. Try this on HB9+ and she`ll blow you off in a second. Negs and insults are two different things which result in two different outcomes. This is an insult and if she doesn`t turn her back to you after this, then she is desperate to talk to anybody, no matter how they look or what they say. This is not type of girl I wan`t to spend my time with anyway.

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Actually, I used it on only SHB's. It worked very well. Try it!

This is completely untrue. I only used it on only SHB because most parties and clubs are infested with AFC's and SHB's are sick and tired of the same old tired BS. When they here something challenging, they are compelled to respond and be attracted. Instead of talking shit about it, why dont you just go field test it. Trust me, it works. As you know, body language and voice tone are more important than the actual words flying out your mouth. Just as a test of my theory, I walked up to a HB and said "your wig looks like its out of place." Of course she was shocked and said "how dare you," but she also emmediatly grabbed my forearm and we began a conversation. How about this Marco Polo, field test it tonight (TGIF) and come back and honestly tell us how it went.

If it worked for you, fine, but I agree that it's just an insult, not a neg.

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Listen man, you asked oppinion about your opener, I told you what I think and now you are rude about it. I think that shit sucks and I don`t have to go out, insult somebody and made a dick out of myself to satisfy your ego. Grow up man, I am/was on the field more then 15 years and be damn sure I know what amm I talking about


I am glad it works for you.


Now this is a good neg and of course it worked. Girl can always fix her hair, but nobody can fix his height if hey are short. That is a difference between neg and insult
Actually, last night I was home with beautifull girl, making love. Why don`t you try something similar and tell us how it went!

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What type of voice tone to you use when saying this? I assume body language should be standing at an angle towards her not leaning in but leaning back, feet apart, shoulders back?

People need to get past the concept of good/bad opener....honestly anything works if you're congruent....if you use that in a C&F tone it could be an awesome opener, plus since you've already got her laughing you can start moving into attraction....one thing I've done thats worked well in the past for me with SHBs is acting displeased with their name and being C&F and busting their balls about it....the reason it works so well is because they get so perplexed at someone who would make fun of their name, something they have no control over at all

Welcome to the forum Gnigras.

I've pulled off far worse insults as openers (before learning PUA theory), it's all about delivery. You also have to have high value already for it to work. If a loser said this to a SHB, she'd blow him off. But since your doing this at parties/clubs instead of a setting where people know your of high value, I'm unsure how you pull it off effectively.

But most short girls are bitter about their height. I wouldn't want to try it for that reason.