Is there a general rule about when to ask for a phone #? How long should one wait? Is there a general rule for when to ask for a girl's phone # (comfort stage of attraction stage)?

The reason why i ask is because I am currently focusing on opening and building comfort. Unfortunately I run out of things to say, so unless the girl is very outgoing and I can turn this into my advantage, I usually create a false time constraint and pull out. This is day game, btw. Is it OK to ask for a phone # during the first five minutes of knowing her? How long should I wait? What are some general rules on this?

Cheers!!!

You don't ask for a phone#! Why, because then you become needy in the eyes of the HB.

AFC ask/beg for phonenumbers,
PUA gets phonenumbers

When you game a girl, opener/routine, and the social hook point is found. The girl likes to talk to you, and you have good game. You kino some, she kino's back. You feel that this is going well (calibrate). Then it is time to use a false time-constraint
['I have got to go'. Thank you for such a nice conversation. I feel comfortable talking to you. I have so many things to tell you, and I want to hear more about your hobby. How can we continue this? ']

Now, if you gamed well, the girl will offer to give her number to you ['I can give you my number, if you want'] Letting her give you her number will have two advantages:
1. DHV for you! You are not needy, and she is the one who is giving her number.
2. When you call her, the responsiveness is much higher then when you asked her number

Good luck!

ps: sometimes the girl hesitates, you should help her. ['I don't use FB. Yeah, i know, I am old-fashioned. I only have a pre-paid phone ]

If she still hesitates to give her number, FB is ok. It is not about the number, it is all about the next opportunity to meet, the medium doesn't matter

Hey buddy! I have a few questions for you: 1) What is the social hook point? 2) Are you suppose to kino during the comfort stage? Can you provide some examples of what the difference is between the comfort and attraction stages?

I "love" your advice, by the way, about how to get a girls phone #. Thank you:D

The social hook point, is the point when you approached a girl, girl is interested in talking to you. In general this means, she takes you opener and routine.

Now it is time to create bonding. You create bonding, by kino and by showing DHV, disqualify her.

There are many good advices/tips here on the forum. Take your time to read it

I will only ever tell them to put their number into my phone once ive established a common interest (or a fake one).

so if during the chat you tell her something you do or have (thats real), for example; you go indoor climbing alot and she shows interest then you can show her the ropes (no pun intended, well sort of), so:

swap numbers, have a day 2 and also bounce to other locations in the same day!

the fake one would be when she says something she would always like to do and "oh surprise" you have always wanted to do that.

like anthonypham said its to find a hookpoint. If you ask, she may give you her number but it could be a flake unless she is really into you, in which: good show!

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I'm with antonypham

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As long as you have attraction and you qualified her (you showed specific reasons that you like her other than her looks) and you found some commonalities, you can usually get a pretty solid phone number. This can happen in 2 minutes or it can happen in 20 minutes. Usually, the longer the better, but sometimes interactions get cut short cuz one of you genuinely has to go. I've slept with girls who's phone numbers I got after 2 minutes of conversation. Usually when you get a phone number that quick its a little flaky, but not always...

@anthonypham, if a girl does not want to give you her number and gives you her facebook instead, its usually a blow off. Sorry, but if a girl likes you, she will have no problem giving you her number in most cases. The only exception to this is if the girl is foreign and she doesn't have a phone or something like that.
Also, DHVing and disqualifying don't build bonding. DHVing and disqualifying build attraction. Bonding is built by finding commonalities, qualifying, getting to know each other on a little bit deeper basis, things like that.

@stylemania: NaturalE is pretty much correct about finding a common thing that both of you like that you can invite her to. That is the best way to get a girls phone number. BUT, if you didn't have enough time to do that, the best way to get a girls number in MY experience that works in pretty much any situation is this:

"Ok you seem pretty awesome so far. I love the fact that you do XYZ. And you're adorable. I mean, I'm not completely sure yet. Like, if you tell me you're a scientologist or something, I'm gonna run away FAST! But here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna exchange numbers and if we like each other on the phone maybe we'll hangout. If not, then we'll never see each other again"

That number close can be altered depending on the situation. Like, I might take out the last part "if not, then we'll never see each other again" if she seems really into me, because it might not be necessary.

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