There is an alternative way to play this, and this is to act as if the whole objection never came up.

Unless she brings it up, you speaking to her objections only brings light of it to her eyes and causes here to question whether she really wants to take the risk on her part of meeting you. And if she is as hot as you say, she likely is a trophy wife of someone of means, and she would be risking a lot but being caught cheating on him. I'd just suggest "let's grab acup of coffee together at [location] in 10 minutes" and then leave - assume that she is going to meet you. And see if she shows up.

You want to make her comfortable, and by bringing the flirting, you've made her uncomfortable and likely thinking about what she is doing.

It's only when you isolate and the two of you are together that I'd look to amp up the game. Since she is married, and likely has friends in the community, you want to be discreet, so hanging out in the car pool line may be pretty visible to people you know, your wife knows, and your target's friends know. If you are consistent in your game, people you don't want to put two and two together, might just do that ...

Getting her to a coffee shop or a restaurant is innocuous - you could have run into each other there. It provides you, and her, with possible deniability.

And here, I would either slow play it, with push pull and don't push for the extraction, or if it is definately on, go for it.

A simple pull that works is to in the middle of the conversation when it is going well "I have to go", and stand up, she'll be thinking "where is he going - there's a connection" and then let her know that you're only going to the bathroom. By walking away in the middle of something interesting, you're showing her that you have the power to walk away.

If you think it is on, bounce to a private location where you can close. and this is important - you should think this out ahead of time - a hotel, your house, don't assume her house is available. Logistics can screw up a sure thing ...

As for LMR if you sense it is on, here is a line of logic that I've used to overcome the married issue:

"I think it is important for a person to decide what is right and what is wrong for them and not to follow society's arbitrary rules. We are two adults. And two adults should be allowed to do what they want to do without other people judging them. I know that you are married and that you are a mother and I also know that at this moment I want to be with you and share a wonderful experience together" and then assume it is on, either grab her hand to leave together, or nod to the door, but take action. Women want to be led, especially when it comes to a tryst. If you start talking about it logically, she'll back out, and you'll miss the chance for a lay (massively field tested) - you want to connect with her emotional self.

And whatever you do, take your time to explore every inch of her body - touch her, tease her, pull her hair and bite her neck. Whatever you do, don't be a two-pump chump. If you do this, she'll be back again and again, begging for more ...

Let us know how it goes ...

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It is great that you noticed that she was having EXTERNAL conflicts and not INTERNAL ones, indicating that she IS attracted to you. So your way to get into her mind and wanting to make this sexual encounter possible is clearly to make her feel at ease with these external concerns (i.e., her husband or your wife's perception of her). You have to place discretion as a priority because you do not want her to think that she will get in trouble or any negativity from you.

She may want this to happen, but she will not be confortable with the possibility unless you can make her think it can happen with impunity.

I would recommend to proceed with caution so that she notices that you are discreet and careful with your endeavor. That will give her the protection she needs for this "guiltless" pleasure.

And even if she flakes, make sure that you continue acting normal around her. Ignore the rejection because she did not reject YOU because she did not want you, she did it because of social obligations (those external factors).

Hope this helped...

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HAHA>> ok heres is a good one for you .. She totally flaked.. Had her husband come with her today!!!. He got outta car.. walked behind me.. said steve i turned around like who the hell is this.. .. he was a bit AMOG at first .. well for about a second.. then he probably realized i can beat his ass to a pulp.. and then take his wife.. so he was like ;; uh yeah my wife got scared.. .. I said yeah i saw that , she short circuited .. no worries man i was gonna apologize to her today.. .. you have nothing to worry about.. I asked his name.. put out my hand for a shake.. and sent him on his way!!!.
so oh well .. next.. frigin flaky ass chicks man..
and I KNOW.. she was attracted.. how could she not be!!!.
thanks guys. don't know if i would have played differently if it would have worked.
but damned.

Get over yourself man.. and grow a pair. When you start respecting other people, maybe your performance will improve. Remember, you're supposed to be giving value, not taking it!

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What value was i taking.. this woman was a flake. her husband even referenced it in our conversation.. .. I am not sure what you people are here for.. nor how many of you have had actual relationships.. but when you do then feel free to talk.. theory is easy to talk about life is the only real experience. I am curious to ask .. since you are all so moralized with Christian values.. are you all chaste until you get married?
you should be!.
In a lot of cultures it is expected the man has a mistress including some stout Catholic ones.. ask any 'god fearing' italian man.
I believe the question "can you love/care whatever more that 1 person" should be can 1 person fill all your needs for you whole life" just by nature of the beat thats a big NO..
You guys are out there picking up. .(or at least trying) and bagging all these women... wait till you get chained down.. then come talk to me.. if you aren't having urges ! especially after 15 years of the same..
So i say all you guys having unwed sex.. are just as bad if not worse.. than a married guy flirting!.

Also i must say these women must love you since you are so mature as evidenced in your eloquent replies.

For christs sake just shag her lol

Bro I was married for 5 years and it sucked, I wanted to cheat for about 4 of them. Now I am divorced I felt like a tiger at the zoo being let out of the cage. It felt wonderful to be free.

So I understand wanting to do it.

But seriously trying to pick up women while still married is wrong, let alone trying to drag another marriage down with yours is even worse. And then there is kids involved with this too.

But the best part is you ask for help, and when we choose not to you attack everyone on the forums.

As I right this I know this will not chage how you feel. You won't even take it all in.

For all these judges here, understand that YOUR morals do not allow for cheating while you are in a marriage. But understand that this man wants to try something out in his life. He is rational enough to know what he is willing to risk for what he wants to do.

Because he comes to this site for advice, give it to him or shut up. I understand where you are coming from, I probably would not pro-actively seduce a married woman, but that is his choice.

This community is made to give people a choice to live a better life and if he so chooses that his current life standings are not on par for what he wants in his life, we should not be the judges condeming his actions. LET HIM BE....

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@rickblane, And for future reference, you need to b more discreet and prove to your target that you are aware of her circumstances, that you do not want bad consequences to arise from your endeavors.

This should serve as feedback because it is not a failure. . .

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And I understand what you're saying but when you say...
...What choice are his wife and the other womans husband and their children having in this? I think you'll find that morals in this debate are far reaching. He has a major CHOICE.. just get divorced! We'll all be satisfied then.

Anyway, this topics getting boring now.. time to can it I think

Sarge on and upwards!

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You know, from your reports she seemed as engaged in the fantasy of stepping out as you were, but balked at the close. If you get the chance, you could apologize to her, but in so doing, re-engage the fantasy while making it seem a harmless diversion. You could say something like, "You know, I didn't really intend for it to go anywhere, but I have a rich and varied fantasy life, which I think is healthy for anyone, married or not...it's a sensual experience even flirting harmlessly for me, you know, that feeling you get when you first meet someone who attracts you? The little butterflies..."-->elevator from here, or whatever you call it. Tell her you bring that feeling home with you every time you talk, and that it's helped things at home, and steer conversation to illustrate the happy, healthy aspect of fantasy, which might get her over the anti-slut hump...

Great advice.. .. think i will. here is a little update..
I let her have space. .didn't talk to her or try to for a couple days afterwords.. then SHE sought me out.. she walks up to me and practically takes my arm .. she walks shoulder to shoulder.. and asks.. can i talk to you tomorrow.. i just want to explain what happened.. i want you to behave!!!. I gave her a smile.. said sure you can talk to me anytime you want.. Ill talk to you tomorrow.. then i wasn't there .. and haven't spoken to her yet..
think i should get back to it? figure if anything when the other hot moms see me talking to the Hottest one there.. it can only be good.

You should definately re-engage this target. This action from her part is one of the biggest indicators of interest that she can give you (while being safe). She basically communicated, I have a husband that that is why I had to back off but as long as you are aware of that (and can be discreet about it) I am willing to give this a try.

Now is your opportunity to show her the fun and intrigue you can introduce in her life (something that she will find irresistable)--BUT I CANNOT STRESS HOW MUCH YOU MUST BE DISCREET AND SECRETIVE BECAUSE SHE MUST THINK THAT SHE WILL NOT GET IN TROUBLE FROM HER ACTIONS WITH YOU. And make sure that the seductive ride that you take her through is full of surprises and fun!!!

Good luck!

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