I know I have missed the train. But why do everyone focus on openers? Whatever you use as an opener, it will soon be forgotten, and it doesn't matter at all what you say as long as you are polite. A good approach is an invitation to start a conversation, nothing else. Doing a good approach you don't invest anything in anyone, and if being polite without expecting anything back you can never be/feel rejected.

So how about "oh shit, you look like... <pause with a look in your face as if you have seen something gross> are you really supposed to look like that"? It will work if you smile wide enough.

Pass.

As long as you open and plow through you will get a reaction that's the whole point of opening. Continue to plow and use tactics. You will do just fine. opener depends on calibration. Could be great, or amazing depends on the girl.

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The way I was able to get over the whole "approach anxiety" (it never goes away... you just learn how you need to deal with it over time) is to literally act like you are the owner of the bar or the club. You can walk up to random groups and be relaxed... simply say "Are you guys having a good time?" (nod your head. monkey see, monkey do. If she is already nodding her head saying they are having a good time... its gonna be better now that you are there.) If the set reacts positively to you... Stay for a minute, talk, get used to talking to strangers and when it goes stale say "I'll be back" (it will at first... the art of conversation is not something that can be learned over night.) and go into the next set. Open the same way... You can always go back to a set later. The idea is to not stay still and stay involved. Don't be a loaner... the anxiety will overwhelm you and you will find yourself walking out the door alone.

Edit: Great this is an old post. Bah.

Oh this is fantastic. Good way to get some feedback on my ideas without having to leave the computer... fan...tastic.

I think an interesting weird but fun comment might work for me. I'm going to brainstorm and see what comes to my head, try it out- that would be awesome!

"Hey.. *rubs hand on chin while looking like about to leave, 'what's a drink that women really like... ?

*Looks back away from her again.

*Looks at her expectantly now like Alan on Hangover when asking if the room had a beeper (remember that shit? lol)."

When she starts saying "umm" keep talking, maybe laugh or smile first and say

"yeah I want basically something that wakes you up but also lowers inhibitions (can replace lowers inhibition with something less forward)"...

At this point she might say "wait, you want to just take advantage of some girl then?" gives you disgusting look

Now, at this point, you've developed a relationship, but have to turn it around immediately

"No no no, (maybe even a hand on her arm if can sound sincere enough), well i mean, yes, i dont want to take advantage of her like... "that" maybe roll eyes and do the finger through the hole sex gesture haha...

"but if she really likes me, and i know girls can be really passive and in their shells, i want her to be able to admit it basically, i want her to admit how much she likes me... basically"

okay imo, i think she will ask next "well where is this girl?"

"oh i just meant in theory, i mean there are girls everywhere, i just like to talk to the ones i connect with- by the way what are you drinking?

"she tells you"

laugh.." and how is that making you feel"

holy shit i she says "well i guess awake and with lowered inhibitions" ITS ON!!!!!


back up to the top, if she tells you a drink instead of saying ummm and hesitating where you have to talk over her and say "yeah i basically want something that will wake her up and relax her at the same time"..

then you can just ask "does that wake you up and lower your inhibitions at the same time (or and relax you at the same time?" then maybe repeat the whole sentence "yeah- im looking or something that will wake her up and bla bla at the same time"

I think the key here maybe is saying "her"

That ups the value, maybe even makes her a bit jealous.

Of course at any time she gets fidgety can give a time constraint, but then in the same token i guess ya could also sit or move in to a more secure position with her.


Does this seem to far fetched??? I know I'm disorganized and crazy... but hopefully "inagoodway"

You're over thinking this, you can't really assume she will reply in the way you have said, she may reply like that but the likelihood is that she won't unless you completely ignore what she is saying and lead her that way.

It sounds a bit "rapey" to be honest, like you're focusing on her drink and the fact that it lowers her inhibitions, I think you would have to go right on the line of creepy/funny for this to work.

I gave good midgame advice as well, the only reason that everyone is focusing on openers is because that is where the post was made, and I know some guys have ideas that they want to try out but might not be going out until another night, so I thought that I would ask (both for me-to push my boundaries and for others-so they could get some feedback and tweak them before they went out), I realise some guy could just sit at their computer and tell me to do the approach because they have AA etc, but I would expect most guys to go out and use the original or tweaked after

I agree with you over thinking the opener... wayyy over thinking! and hes right, they are gonna forget what you said first anyway.

you have way too many scenarios where she could take control example.... call you a psycho because you just asked her what her favorite drink is and then cut her off telling her something that is going to lower her inhibitions while you make sexual gestures with your hands explaining yourself. The fact that you are emotive and showing somewhat of a sense of humor is good.. but its the wrong kind of humor. Which will trigger the wrong type of emotions and make you look like a creep or a clown...

Remember, the idea is you aren't out to get girls. You are out to have a good time. If you suggest that you are at a bar looking to lower a girls inhibitions... She is going to blow you out. (not in a good way) Pre-selection is one thing... being a pig who would fuck a box of razor blades is not part of any DHV story I have ever heard... I have done and said some dumb shit in my day. REAL DUMB SHIT... Based off MY experience, I will save you the despair of using this and at the same time suggest you stick to "Who lies more?" as your opener until you understand the fundamentals of WHAT you are doing a bit more.

One step at a time bro.

I don't get that opener...if that worked on a regular basis doesn't that opener remove the need for any game whatsoever (apart from the massive inner game needed to say the opener).

Interesting, thanks.

The point is that it rarely works. So you need balls. It'll pay off eventually lol.

So I just tried something the other night that allowed me to open a set, touch upon sexuality, and transition seamlessly into negging my target. No idea if this will prove successful in the future, but wanted to put it out there for other guys to try (if it works, don't abuse it by mistreating any women afterwards).

STRAW OPENER

I was done drinking for the night and decided to get a soda before I headed out. I usually hate when I'm served a drink with a straw in it because it feels redundant and wasteful, but this time I chose a straw.

I walked over to these two college girls (I'm 34) and asked them: "Do you think a man can drink out of a straw and still look masculine?" Then I took a sip.

The girls both smiled and laughed and said "Sure."

Then I said, "I don't know, I think it comes across as a little feminine."

Then my target said, "Do you think a woman can look feminine drinking right from a glass?"

And I said, "I don't know, let's see." She took a sip out of her glass, looked up expectantly and I shook my head, saying, "Not really." I sat down with them and chatted them up for the next fifteen minutes while finishing my drink and they ended up agreeing to come to my music gig in a couple weeks.

No idea if she's coming to my show or not, but it's definitely an opener I plan to try again.

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