This sounds fun. Haven't FT it yet but i will. I think suits/tie works well in any case, it kinda gives you style and if a girl mentions something about it there's definitely something to go on to.

Just a thought, Valentyn let me know what you think of it: so basically if you've already opened and talked a bit, so after a slight pause f.e. a sigaret or loo or whatever, just put your tie off and go continue the conversation. This should work as well, because you've already built some rapport/given reasons of attraction, therefore gives you the same IOI but in a different time: you've already had a couple, this might be the one you follow up with a KC. Anyways, girl kinoing you is always better

Defo try both ways out. Hawke91

Of course.. I didn't thought of that one. But you have to place it subtly lol. If she sees you puttin your tie in a wrong way out of the blue she'll be like what the fuck lol.. but still.. great idea! Of course kino is much more better

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How about just simply talking to girls that you're attracted to and not making it a big deal. I prefer to look my best rather than giving excuses for girls to fix my look. Once you've started a conversation they'll find excuses and reasons to touch you anyway.

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Yup.. you can do that too! It's just that when she is re-arranging your clothes, I bet a lot of you didn't knew it was a big IOI.. so it can only help you in field!

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I like it, but hate it at same time. I like it because it's a clever little trick. I hate it because it's passive and no real man should rely on his looks alone to attract women. To find out if she is interested or even better to generate attraction why not open her with one of hundreds of openers available? Use your body language and tonality to show confidence - that's what women are really attracted to, not the shape of your nose or color of your eyes.

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Gotta disagree there. If it gets you the pussy who gives a shit why/how she was attracted to you.

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Couldn't agree with you more my friend! Anyway as I said before.. knowing this IOI is very important not for striking conversations.. but let's say she does this thing to you.. it's way better to know she's sending you IOI's than just re-arranging your tie because it looked bad. It's a step forward toward understanding attraction.. so people try for once to understand and experience new things. Don't let your ego block you your path!

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Why are you people going all crazy about this post...all Valentyn is saying is if "this" happens "this" is what it means...stop going all rambo and thinking the only way you go sarging is with a knife between your teeth and black makeup under your eyes.

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So what if she doesn't like your looks? You just give up?

I guess we could say that "some men" can rely on their looks alone. For most of us, we have to fight to get the women attracted to us.

This seems like a cool little trick. I'm going to try it soon. Btw, Valentyn, you keep speasking of a book on body language that si the BEST. What book is this? It seems like you might not want to say or you would have said already? If not, please PM me the name of it, I would like to read it

My point exactly. If you are already so good looking, and can attract girls just by standing there, why do you even need to come here?

Looks aren't as important as you think. I consider myself average or slightly below average, rated 7 on hotornot. Yet I snatch a girl from a good looking guy who has more muscle and taller than me last month. I asked the girl why she chose me after we had sex. She said it's my attitude. The other guy was all about his looks and flashing his $20 bills to buy her this and offering her that. It's loser behavior.

one problem I see with this opener is making the guy submissive and supplicant. you will try to "impress her" with your looks and ties, and I can imagine if you don't get any girls attention, you will just be standing there looking nervously or blinking at girls trying to get her attention. It is much better and easier just to walk up to whatever girl you like and say hi and introduce yourself.

I think this would work good for people with a little bit of approach anxiety, like me. sure, I would know that, if done successfully, I could just walk up to that girl and talk to her, but it's easier on me if I can do something simple to make er talk to me.

However, saying that, I SHOULD be using the approach that makes me most scared. that just makes you better at handling the situations next time

Did I say that if you aren't good looking you should just give up? no, I said if you are good looking enough your way of picking up is just as valid in my mind as some jabba the hut look alike picking up babes.

People are always arguing about which method, or saying looks don't count.

Getting laid and picking up has never been a challenge for me at any point in my life. I've never met someone who has learned to pick up who is better than me. Now that might be looks, it might be attitude, to analyze my own game is fucking difficult.

All I know is what I do works...and the reason I'm on this forum. To try and get some perspective on how to develop relationships, not just getting girls in bed.

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The book is "The Definitive Book of Body Language" by Allan and Barbara Pease... it makes wonders.. unbelivable shit I'll be honest with you.. all pages are gold.

Now the thing about looks.. it is important so stop always saying it's not. Of course your game must be good.. but you have a much more easier path. Sometimes even if I make a mistake a below looking average guy would.. the girl still sticks with me or I still get a Kiss close.. wether if a guy who's not in shape and who is bellow average good looking will get rejected. It makes ALL the fucking difference.. a LOT of times I get opened at the bar or at the club.. do you know how much easier my job is or how my confidence boosts up when girls much older than come and open me? or a lot of times friends come and tell me: oh that chicks thinks your hot... it takes your game to another level.. you already know attraction is there so your confidence just boosts up. By the way..a lot of people are actually good looking but they just dont take care of their bodies or their image and they are perceived as "not good looking". With that being said.. I know game can change everything and it's really important.. that's why I'm on this forum..

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