I'm at a college with clubs that are insanely loud, no one can hear each other. Usually what works for me is lightly touching a girl's upper arm and saying "could I have a dance"... Obviously not the most seductive way to go about it, and I feel I do it with confidence and the right attitude, but isn't the best thing to do. Any advice

Also, in loud venues, how do you engage an entire group?
Also Also, get past make out stage(which I find myself in often) and then get them to the bedroom (sticking point)

First post here. This is an awesome thread, I've read the whole thing.

Question on the no leaning in to talk rule; I was inclined to think that leaning in was good, because it gives an opportunity to get close to her face/body and touch her?

As you go around the club opening girls both on and off the dance floor, and after a certain amount of time you want to leave them and and move on (but come back later), what do you say/do? And do you number close at that point, or interact with them later and then close? I suppose the coming back part only works at a smaller club where you will be able to find them again.

Once I dance with a girl that I dig, it is pure seduction. It is sensual. It is foreplay. It’s her and me in a bubble. Forget all about this social-dancing thing where you just bust your moves. It is all about the interaction, the touching, the tension, the eye-contact, the push-pull, the i-could-go-on-for-hours. It is the most fulfilling seduction technique I’ve experienced. Fuck, I’ve taken home too many chicks from just dancing with them until they couldn’t hold back but kiss me and touch my cock to know your saying “dancing is bad for seduction” comes from a misunderstanding of how you properly dance with a woman. And yes, it only comes easy if you can feel music. I know very few guys who can use dancing for seduction, and most of them aren’t European. Go figure.

12.- Leaning in: No matter how loud the music in the club is, do not lean in to talk to a woman. Your back should be straight as a wall. You must avoid leaning in even if the music is loud. This includes lowering your head. Your head and back should always stay straight when talking. If she wants to talk, cup her ear (so it is not so loud that you two are screaming, and talk), but try not to talk, if you do, remember to avoid leaning in.

How do I achieve this? Im mostly a head or two heads taller than most girls. Very difficult for me not to lean in when opening or when a girl wants to talk.

Yes , it final happened. First of all I would like to thank Gunwitch who gave me the drive in the chat to never give up. I would also like to thank Warped mindless for encouraging me to get my "shit" together as it did help me.
And last but not least I would like to thank Skills360 for helping me in chat and his dancefloor videos helped ALOT to bring this together. Listen to these 3 guys , they know their stuff.

So it was 10.30pm on Friday night and I was with German wing. We were at the club but feeling very stifled so we decided to crush our egos and embarrass ourselves over the next 30 mins. The first set ( 3 set )in the smoking area I went up and said

Me- I shit my pants (with a stupid smirk)
Girl 1 and 2 - eww gross (walks away to another section of the smoking area)
Girl 3 - that's cool what made you do this?

So I had a little fun conversation with girl 3 for a few minutes.
It just goes to show that some girls will just like you for no reason. Eventually she had to go back to her friends , but I made a mental note to speak to her later in the night when possible.

Then I opened a 2 set with wing saying

Me- I'd love to be your cigarette... ( with a stupid smirk , essential )
Both girls - LOOOOOOL!!!!

One of the girls was from south Spain with a tongue piercing but slightly a fatty whilst the other was from France with a perfect body ( seriously , ass and atleast a D boobs ) and a really cute face. I planned to sacrifice myself to take the fatty as we had lost too many sets over the last few months due to greediness ( this worked in my favour later on ).

And we then began group talking. What I do to get into state is not think AT ALL and speak at the top of my head. The conversation itself here wasn't important but the vibe. I was just being fun and flirting and kinoing both targets. I also kept accusing fatty of flirting with me. Eventually I just said -

Me- hey German wig , wanna go to the dancefloor?
Wing- ok.
Girls - ok.

Their buying temperature was very high since I polarised and self amused ALOT. We were essentially " the party" and at that moment , no one was having as much fun as us so ofcourse we'd be their best bet to hang out with.

I start dancing with tongue piercing , skills 360 style.
I progressively escalate and knew my target was into me , she even began whispering the lyrics " changed the way you kissed me" into my ear. I was genuinely getting turned on by this Fatty LOL !!! I began grinding intensely her butt , my penor. Then I switched it up with my knee on her vagina. I fail to k- close 3 times and she really seemed to love it when I started kissing her neck. My wing was doing really well with the French cutie too but no kiss close. Then , my target wanted to get some drinks so I just told them to get them LOL ! I ain't paying for shit , ain't nobody got time fo'dat !

They leave and me and my wing are instate so we just hit up the sets , getting a few grinds here and there when at 12ish I spot the two set with two chides who bought them a bottle of wine each. Noobs , LOL !!! I could tell both of the girls were checking me out as I was genuinely laughing and being the shit , constantly surrounded by girls.

Later I see the French girl in smoking area , and after a few sentences i go for the kiss close , BOOM make out. She tells me she's looking for her friend (golden) and can't find her. I send her on her way so she hopefully gives up on finding her , making her a solo set hehe.

Even later at 12.30ish I see the French girl getting kiss closed by a 6'4 hugely muscular black guy at a pillar and the fatty out of site. This wasn't an outcome dependency but just an observation , I see her getting bounced around alot by him so she must have a high buying temperature and is DTF for sure.

I keep opening around and my win gets a girl who books super strongly and appears to be DTF and I leave him to it. I meet my super alpha Greek wing and we keep dancing around , being the shit. I later see the French girl intensely grinding with the black guy , I contemplate trying to steal her with my wing. He says "don't worry about it , I'll stand next to you , just go for it".
Since it was coming from him , I felt very reassured LOL !!

I dive in and grab her hand and PULL HER HARD towards me and we start dancing infront of the black guy. The black guy looks extremely pissed off so my wing stands next to me whilst we dance. The French girls tells him that I'm her friend so it was at this point I was serious about pulling her. The black guy starts to ask if be can spend 10 minutes with her and my wing keeps whispering into my ear " focus on the girl , I'll take care of everything else " , like a true wing <3.

Then the black guy asks her to come with him and as she is walking away I pull her HARD right back to me and she keeps dancing with me whilst laughing her head off. The black guy gives up and goes away.

Later my target accidentally steps on a guy's shoes and him and his group of friends keep playfully flirting with her as we're dancing , my Greek wing sees this and blocks them with his body ( seriously , this wing <3. )

FINALLY we get some real alone time and as luck would have it , a Sean Paul song came on , which only means one thing , HEAVY ESCELATION TIME !!!

By the end of the song , I was stimulating her vagina to the song rhythmically. I then just say , let's get some Fresh air and she complies so I pull her out to the smoking area. I then say I'm hungry , lets go to macdonalds , 2 minutes. She then worries about her friend and I keep repeating 2 minutes 10 times quickly and just pulled her HARD like you pull a suitcase ( credits , goodlookingloser.) this was because I knew this girl was DTF , I just knew it , her friend already pulled I guessed and she was complying quite easily , must just be LMR.

I convinced her to leave the smoking area and I purposefully didn't stamp us out so it was an all in strategy : either I get laid or I go straight home to fap- there was no inbetween.

Afterwards to fully deal with the friend issue I take her phone , take the friend's number and then pretend to text the friend on my phone (girl has no credit muhahahaha) and then switch off her phone to block any interruptions. I then said "she'll text me back when she gets the message"

Then i drop the gamey shit as the hard bit was already dealt with as I've already left the club with her. I go into deep comfort and rapport as the ASD was really high. She kept saying "I'm not an English slut!" Whenever I tried to escalate. I just asked about her life and stuff. She really opens up , telling me how her boss sexually harasses her and how she wants to make a bra company (lol) and how no man would stop her ( in a really cute and sassy way). I made sure that even with the deep rapper I still kept a playful fun twist as I didn't want to kill the sexual tension completely.

After awhile I hold her hand and say "let's go macdonalds". Now since I live with my parents I to figure out the logistics within the next 5 mins of walking there. There was either -

-macdonalds toilet.
-casino number 1 toilet.
-casino number 2 toilet.
- her logistics.
-bus stop.
-alleyway.

We go macdonalds and it packed as FUARK so I make an excuse of how we won't get any seats. I then ask about her living situation. She lives with roommates and isn't allowed guests so that's screwed.

We see both casinos and they wouldn't let us in as she was deemed to drunk ( they know what's up lol ). So we sit at the bus stop with her standing between my legs. Upto this point in the pull were just joking around with me throwing in some sexual spikes so it wouldn't fizzle out.

I instantly try to get into a sexual state (read Steve Jabba's articles and 60 years of challenge for more info on this) and I slowly escalated. It halted at the point where she wouldn't let me touch her boobs and ass so I was stuck for like 10 mins or so. At some point I genuinely thought I'd go home with blue balls and fail miserably. Then I remembered from somewhere that I should attempt to make her touch my penis and she should get horny.

I try it and LOOOOOOL!!!! It was like she just woke up ! She was wearing a jacket so no one could see what was going on. I then QUICKLY escalate to fingering her and she jacked me off like an animal.'at some point she kept whispering "oh my god , you make me so horny , it's been 3 months since I last had sex" and I felt pretty validated knowing I as a Virgin had these powers .

Suddenly she removes my hand from her vagina and pins it against the bus stop map whilst kissing me hard. I kept whispering to her " yeah I like dominating girls , tell me you'll tie me up and whip me hardcore , huh? Huh??? HUHH????"
She kept moaning harder and harder until she went back to jacking me over even better than ever.

SUDDENLY , she stops and just says "I bet you pull a different girl every night at he nightclub right?"
-nope ofcourse not.
- don't you prefer my friend , I saw you dancing with her.
-its only fun , it's. club !
-when was the last time you had sex?
-yesterday.
-see what I mean , I'm not an English slut !
- with my hand !
-LOOOOL!

She goes back to handjob and then people were walking past but since we were covered I whispered into her ear "isn't this exciting , isn't this an adventure , all these people walking past but none of them know what's going on."

This got her REALLY horny and eventually I just unzipped her and put my dick in her and pounded for like a minute before she stopped me (thankfully) as I had no condom. We the. Handjobbed to completion then exchanged Facebook. Meh probably won't see her again.

Things that put this SNL together

-Steve Jabba and 60 years of challenge sexualisarion.
-skills360 Dancefloor escelation.
-self amusement and being the shit (was very popular that night)
-persisting for logistics.
-switching to comfort when ASD was getting far too high.
- Greek wing ( I really REALLY love this dude <3

Oh and I vomited on the way home due to her beer breath XD

Ehehe good popping in here from time to time, every time I'm in a club dance floor I remind myself "I should see all of Skills' video" .
Would love to see some good guy on the dance floor, I think I can say I've never met one that could easily pull and/or get girls really excited.

I've always avoided the dance floor as a seduction technique because I'm always one of the shortest out there and that's a big drawback.
It a drawback is in general, but in that situation much more so.

However I could see more than once that when I feel "inspired" by the music I would get girls noticing me and even getting close (I spread my arm and dance slow-energy most of the times, I'm not yet able to dance well with a partner, so I do mostly solos).
This was mostly in smaller bar dance floors though, in the bigger "cooler" clubs I still feel my weapons fall short to do the trick..

My style of club game is really all about OBSERVING the girls I'm physically attracted to. There's no rush for me to talk to them before I know what they're in the club for.

Some of the things I look at:

-Is she alone or with anyone else (1 GF, group of GFs, a date, boyfriend?)

-How is she dressed? (Classy/frumpy/sexy)

-Is she dancing or sitting down and HOW is she dancing (in closed circle w/ her GFs or dirty dancing dick riding style on as many boys as possible?)

-Is she drunk?

Through observing the girl for a period of time I form some type of opinion on her DTFness and general qualities. I don't care for slobby drunks or attention whores since both are a complete pain in the ass to PU and no fun in bed.

This style has the added benefit of subtly letting potential girls know I am actively screening them BEFORE I come over to talk. She sees me looking at her and they always know what's going on, at least on a sub-conscious level.

Anyway, this works well for me.

Bonus-tip: The girls that are still in the club when it closes are highly likely to be DTF. The attention whores always call their bad boy fuck buddies to come pick them up about an hour before closing time and the sober good girls have to take their drunk GFs home safely so the girls that are left when the lights come on are usually looking to hook up. Do with this knowledge as you see fit.

Dog.

if she's alone (which IME is extremely rare in a nightclub) it's just a question of walking over and introducing myself and take things from there. If she's with 1 GF it really pays off to win the friend over by being cool and fun and maybe winging for the GF and calling over some guy she's interested in and introducing them.

If she's in a bigger group of girls it's better to talk to the girl whenever she's separated from them like waiting at the bar or on her way back from the toilet.

If she's on a date I probably won't steal her unless she goes out of her way to let me understand she's ready to ditch her date right then and there. Boyfriend, I'll leave her alone. Seems very low-class to go after someone's GF when they're out to have fun together and I always wanna punch those retards who try that shit with me so it only seems fair I abide by the same standard.

Style of dress: I like girls that knows how to dress CLASSY. To me that's a sign of someone clued in. Overly slutty usually signals attention whore. Frumpy can mean Good Girl or 'on the rag' and not looking..

Dancing shows a lot about a girl. Is she able to move sensually in sync with the music or does she plop about like a tired hippo.. Great dancers are always great lovers. The circle-dance group of girls I avoid like the plague, they're only out on the dance floor to shoot down any guy trying to approach them there and laugh at him when he slinks off with his tail tucked. Don't bother. The dick rider may be at a high enough buying temperature to be stolen off whatever dance floor dildo she's on at the given moment but it's not the type of girl I'm looking for usually, since they're drunk and high most of the time.

If she's drunk I don't want anything to do with her. I find drunk girls a turn-off and I don't need some chick to puke all over my bed later.