Im not sure I like the way you people talk about girls... Sluts, ugly etc... Anyway, this is the why of why you dont understand them. Why you are even having this discussion.

You dont see them as just anyone else, you give them girl status. Girls are people too you know.

The entire attractive, unattractive girl thing is a minor thing, sure the more attractive ones have been approached more and will play a bit more advanced but there is nothiing more to it than that.

Do you think that an unattractive girl has different taste than an attractive one? Do you think that an attractive girl can only be attracted to the photomodel guy style or could it be that she is also attracted by other things?

I would want to reverse this reasoning you have on here, it is easier to game hot girls than it is to game ugly girls.
The reason being that the hotter ones arent spoiled with people actually treating them like human beings but rather like sex symbols. Or like sluts. And less attractive girls are the other way around. Plus they have a lower self esteem which makes them more reluctant to trust people. Thus, more difficult to build comfort with.

I say this from experience. I myself wouldnt call myself beautiful, by my standards. Others think so and it is completely random. Some see me as just another guy, normal in the ways of physical beauty and some say that I am stunningly attractive. So you see, opinions vary. They vary a lot. It is a matter of personal taste.
I know what I like and it is not the same things that my friends like. I can find a girl hot when everybody else hates her. For this reason I know that I have tried sarging below pretty girls. And I have had lots and lots of problems with that. I just havent been able to get the attraction I need from them. On the other hand (in my past) girls who are stunningly hot that I would never even try because I know it is fruitless have gone into some random situation with me, like met through a boring workmeeting or whatever and have found me irressistable. No logic at all!

The point being, they are individuals. If one girl can find you attractive so can another one. Regardless of how hot she is.

Ezo

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I don't think you understand what I mean, we all have strengths and weaknesses. But that doesn't mean some aren't stronger, and some are weaker. I've just never met a person that was the best at everything, or the worst at everything.

I don't like fat chicks either, when I hook up, it's about 95% about her looks at 5% about whether I can stand to be around her if she is too much of a bitch or something.

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In the bigger scheme of things, considering how large the universe is, we all are worth nothing- we are less than ants. I hope this makes you fee better. You wont win this argument.

Until you're calling God up for weekend tennis matches, I hope that for your sake, you realize that you're not an ant. This isn't about winning arguments. This is about the betterment of YOUR life.

You don't show up for an interview with Harvard with 960 SAT scores proclaiming, "Considering how large the Universe is, we are all worth nothing, blah, blah, blah . . ."

Yes, you would of course be 100% correct but you will be 100% correct while NOT attending Harvard.

You wouldn't show up for a job interview for a VP position at an investment banking firm with a resume that highlights "McD's short order cook" and tell them the "we are worth nothing" message.

If doing nothing in "this" life is your goal, then go ahead and spread your message that we are all worth nothing and sit your fat ass on the couch until you die. There is actually NOTHING wrong with this as I too believe that we are NOTHING in the "bigger scheme of things".

However, if you'd like to find some success; academic, financial, professional, social, family, political, artistic, etc . . . and yes, even SPIRITUAL success. Then stop with this freaking non-sense and work on yourself. Raise your value. Make yourself worth MORE.

And of course it's up to you whether you decide to try to convince a professional, beautiful, mentally balanced girl to LTR with a pimple pinching 7/11 register boy because, "In the big scheme of things, we are all ants . . ." But if you decide to do this, please consider video taping it for us making sure you add the "You won't win this argument" for a punch line. This will be great. Thanks.

Hey guys,,,

Just read this post, lots of interesting stuff. the way i see it, it doesn't matter if a girl is hot or not.. ATTRACTION works the same way... its up to you to escalate it. .. You'll find girls that are rich that go for poor guys.. Most nonsingle HB's at the gym i know, are dating guys that don't even work out (and get average pay).. what makes HBs different than guys is that they don't have a certain standard. Its all about attraction and an emotional connection,, whether she's an HB6 or HB9. Women don't use logic for attraction. An HB10 won't think to herself, "Hey, I'm an HB10, so I can only hook up to a male equivelant." Ofcourse if your goodlooking and wealthy it will help out.. But it does with every other type of girl too. But these aren't the mandatory requirements needed to approach an HB10. As long as your not a creep, and have decent good skills they'll give you a time of day.

us men are way different. I am a well built fit guy who's somewhat lean.. I spend hours at the gym and watch what i eat. You think I'd ever date a girl who isn't slim and hot?! hell no!! You see, as a male i use logic for attraction. we all do too. Females don't do that.

In conclusion,
The only difference between hot girls and non-hot girls, is that you subconsciously get this feeling that because theres like 8 guys after an HB10 on a given night, you get intimidated.. I think if you approach them fearlessly and SOBER you have a good chance,, because what most guys do is that they sort of creep around the HB10 until they're drunk enough to talk to her and just end up making fools out of themselves.

First of all, I don't in anyway shy away from the realities of the world, I have 2 jobs and also own my own relatively succesful company, and I'm far more innovative and ambitious than most people my age. I don't believe that we are all born equal, and I don't believe we are all equal. I do however believe that we all have strengths and weaknesses. I don't think that contradicts anything that I have said.

When I say no girls is better than you, I mean it, but that doesn't mean she isn't doing better, or that you aren't doing worse. It just means you can get her provided you put in the hard yards. Luckily, as guys we can all become 10s, unlike girls which can only improve themselves a little bit in the eyes of men.

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This has become a fruitless conversation so I'm going to clear it up for the both of you.

Your both right and your both wrong.

The world does act in a way in which people are assigned higher value than others. So no technically we are not all the same. There can only be one number 1 after all.

On the other hand, each life is just as important as the other. We should never treat someone as being worth less than someone else. However, this is also Utopian thought. It is not realistically practiced by most people.

I try to live by this but given a life or death situation, I would save the person who could fix cars and hunt over the person who dresses nicely. Ideally I would save both but sometimes it cannot happen so you go back to instinct, assign value quickly, and choose who to save.

You can't escape it. It is hardwired into your system for survival.

You just have to realize that no one should make you feel like less. Act and be the best in the world, just keep in mind that you might not actually be.

It's a very fine line and most people would have trouble walking it without going to one extreme or the other. I understand this but it is what it is.

you can change the name of something but you can't change what it is.

"A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet".

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couldn't agree with you more. basically what i was trying to say, but said more eloquently

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What is it with you young kids that make you SUCH FUCKING LIARS? Who teaches you kids this shit? You lie to yourselves and you lie to the World and come off as seriously confused.
You just told us the way of the World. "The World", I would presume includes you and Mr. Stand Up.

Then you kids go on and on about how things should be. It SHOULD be like this, it SHOULD be like that . . . Really? What makes "SHOULD" so special other than the fact that it does not exist?
(It is NOT practiced by ANYBODY including yourselves)
Again, you're saying that it is IMPOSSIBLE to live with an "equal" value system amongst people.

Then another crazy-ass bipolar shift:
Why? Because your little itty bitty heart gets sooooo hurt to admit that Michael Jordan can dunk the basketball better than you? Ohh no . . .

Why do so many of you kids gauge superiority vs. inferiority on such a thin vertical of emotional pains? Who spanked you so much that you feel you need to defend your idiocy till the end?

Either man up with your philosophies and LIVE IT, (Go date toothless crack whores and suck the vagina of 700 lb. mega-women) or shut up and stop writing these crazy ass backwards manifestos of the "ways of the World" which YOU DO NOT LIVE BY. It's seriously damaging to your soul.

key point...the prettiest girls are the lonliest ones...because guys are way to nervous to go over and talk to them...

Your entire argument is negated by the fact that your being an emotional little girl, claiming things you have no proof of, and throwing around insults rather than actually debating.

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Let me just get my 3D glasses and some popcorn, I wanna see how this all ends!

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I'm out, this has turned into petty squabbling, you think what you want and argue and insult and I'll go get some girls. Peace

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He is saying that all human life is worth the same, that you don't have the right to make judgment calls on who is more valuable. Which you don't, and just by trying to out someone who you claim to be "fat and ugly" shows how little compassion you have for people, and how poor your actual character really is. Please gain some insight into what he is saying, as opposed to trying to dictate to others how they should treat people, and how fruitless your efforts are to gain "value" when you can't even see past the shallowness of your own perceptions. I mean, how arrogant and condescending can you be to claim everyone here are "kids" when you have a view of life that resembles the most vain douche bags on the planet. Also don't speak for zen buddhist monks, because you have no grasp of those belief systems, or the values that they hold dear, obviously. It's clear you are the child, mentally and emotionally.

Reply @ lorini30:

Is that true, that the hottest girls are the easiest to approach? I've been hearing two conflicting things my whole life:

1) The hot girls are lonley because no one will talk to them.
2) The hot girls are not lonely because everyone hits on them.

Which is it? Someone posted elsewhere in the forum about Jenna Jameson's book (with Neil Strauss), where she writes, "If anyone in North Hollywood had the courage to approach a turbo-breasted, kiddie faced blonde in the summer of 1996, they could have been dating me."

How does this all add up? Are HB 10s, in general, easier or more difficult than the average girl?