i agree. calling it sets is not respectable.
people should focus more on PVG.
and i agree that a lot of PUA is complete nonsense.
it is true though that to get women to sleep with you you need a few hours. it seldom works quickly and usually isnt so enjoyable if it goes to fast.

Sean Messenger said the same thing on this forum, but thats beside the point.

The point is, i really don't like Cory Skyy -- he's just a motivational speaker he doesn't actually teach anything other than 'repeat these lines in a mirror to boost your self esteem'.

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i agree.

language DOES matter. read your noam chomsky.

people use jargon in order to de-personalize things and keep non-experts from figuring things out. jargon is never added to make things clearer.

there are some terms that make sense. but how is "set" better than "group?" we already have a word in english for a number of people arranged as one unit. set is just some jive-ass attempt at making it sound like game theory.

and target is waaaaay more fucked up. there's a ton of wicked mysoginist military terminology in PUA guru shit, and it's damaging to you.

here's one thing i never ever ever understood.

why say k-close instead of kiss?

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The point is, i really don't like Cory Skyy -- he's just a motivational speaker he doesn't actually teach anything other than 'repeat these lines in a mirror to boost your self esteem'.


Its the point behind it.. if you think shallow minded like that, you will see it that way. The point is to internalize these beliefs until they become part of you. If your default internal belief says (unconsciously) "I don't know if im attractive" it will show in you. And women will see it. They actually work for me, and cory skyy himself does it. And he is very good with women. (ask Sean Messanger) But some people don't believe in them. Its just a way of changing your inner beliefs about yourself.

Not really angry, just think its rediculous how easily you guys are so naive as to go by what some Guru decides to call women. And for the insults, no harm done, because your an idiot anyway. And if Mystery, decides to name women "1 pair or a 2pair" are you gonna start calling women that? Point is, your seeing another side of the ocean. And if you look at a group of regular people and decide "ok, here goes a mixed set" theres something wrong with you.

Stop following some rediculous, non-sense that comes out. Since when in your lifetime did you think you would ever be calling women "sets" or, "stacking" during a conversation? Never, until Mystery and Neil strauss came with it. It just shows how gulible some people are. And this message isn't for the people that see truth in what im saying, its for the knuckle heADS.

This makes plenty of sense to me. It's a kiss that "closes" the routine. The second "kiss" is never a "close" is it? For us average guys, it's not a big deal but for the guys who actually teach this material, I think it would be worthwhile to be specific.

Have you heard medical jargon or marketing jargon? It makes Pick up jargon sound "cute and harmless".

Like I wrote in my initial reply, we use idioms in every industry and in every facet of life. This is why the dictionary expands every year. The OP is making himself look like an uneducated moron but I doubt he goes to a restaurant and orders, "battered, stuffed chicken fillet which is then crusted." Would he really refuse to order a "Cordon Bleu" because a culinary school coined this term? This is idiocy.

Even the term "knuckle head" that the op just used to I suppose, "insult" the entire forum is an idiom that wasn't popularized until the 40's.

Hey Knucklehead, why are you being such a hypocrite and using words made up by other people? You seriously have no sense of irony.

... haha.

Seriously. It would seem that you are one of those million guys confused as hell. As stated before, a set does not refer to only women. It is also not a derogatory term by any means. You are terribly confused.

These terms make learning easier. It enables people to break down complicated situations into simple easy to understand phrases that are instantly understood. Every single person who viewed your original post understood what you meant when you said Why did you say "AFC"? Was it convenient? Did it convey understanding? Was it second nature? Are you in fact a hypocrite?

I CHALLENGE YOU:

For the next couple of days organize EVERYONE you see into PUA terms. Start with sets, identify the moving sets, mixed sets, 2 sets, ect. Then identify the HB's, and choose a target. Locate obstacles and AFC's. Finally identify the AMOG's. Visualize this for every single person you meet. Pay close attention to each role. How does the AMOG affect a mixed set? What is the targets role in the set? With organization patterns will emerge and a you will gain a better understanding of social dynamics.

And if you don't.... well who cares! Call a set what ever you want to call it.

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okay are you some whack feminist? apperantly you dont know wtf a pua is? if you did you wouldnt be tossing this crap out lol. take a chill pill its just breaking things down. if you dont like how we use our terms please leave! its been going on long before style and mystery showed up you just found out about all this from style and mystery so thats why you are linking the term with those 2. again if you dont like it no 1 one here is making you read this stuff or stay? its just a term thats all it is but i guess your feminist mind cant understand that.

they used the word "set" to group Ancient Greek infantry during 1st century... Now they have squad

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Hey man, check it out. The word "sets" and "target" is just jargon. They are just words members of the community can all relate too.

So... set, target, extract, wingman...

military jargon? for realz?

there's a reason i spend as much of my time with women as possible, because this is the kind of shit about guys that just annoys the fuck out of me.

here's a simple rule. find the word that most clearly expresses exactly what you mean in the way that the greatest number of people can understand. there is a balance.

yes, ordering a chicken cordon blue makes sense because it is a succinct way of describing something that otherwise would take too many words.

set and group refer to exactly the same thing. one of these words is understood by everyone, and one of these words is understood only by an elitist society. that's where jargon causes harm, when it serves to isolate one group from another, and preserve secrets, and ultimately, to deceive.

why do you think the tax code is impossible to read? why do you think the US military refers to dead soldiers as non-viable military personnel?

y'all do whatever you want, but the reality is this: if you use PUA jargon in front of guys who women truly like (go ahead and call them "naturals,"), those people will think you are weird.

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THe military terms are used because when this stuff was just starting out, the guys who were starting it were not alpha males and using military terms is a geeky way to man-up the terminology. Let's be glad they were watching "Top Gun" and not "Star Wars"...we'd never get out of the PUA dark ages!

The words I don't like, I don't use. For instance, i rarely say "sarge" because I envision my drill sergent barking orders, bad breath and all. I say "meet".

I am comfortable with "set" because as a comedian, a set refers to the list of jokes I tell on stage. I use my own opener, but i use the same opener more than once many times before I retire it, just as I do a joke. The interaction in the middle is all stuff I have done or at least thought through before but may not be exactly the same each time...just like an Improv troupe. I finish with a kiss, second date, or with whatever I feel like closing.

As for "close" I think it refers to similar terminology in sales, Tom Peters and Zig Ziglar popularized the term "closing the sale". It means achieving what you set out to.


That's the benefit of being the first to do something. You get to set the terminology. just like playing a video game, if you get beat, you get "pwned" which came from an early game that meant to say, "You got OWNED." but the programmer mis-typed.

If you want to stop the terms, the way to do it is to make a bigger impression without using the trerms and getting people to follow your lead.

"I opened a fleet last night (2 Leah's, 1 Han) and their force fields where majorly up. Some guy came in and tried vader'ing me out of the fleet but I used the force on him and he soon left. I shot a few plasma negs then a few lightsabre negs and managed to get one back to Endor and destroyed her deathstar all night."

oh man I think my next FR may have to be in this style lol

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I wasn't even going to comment on this but.... shit.

Congratulations! You just won a pocket protector and taped birth control glasses. I think your statement may have single-handedly set PUA back 5 years.