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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:14 am 
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Does this imply that if we lock eyes, the approach needs to happen at that time?
Usually yeah. Try raising an eye-brow, making a comical expression, that can help relieve some of the tension. Although she might be more interested in creating that tension, to see if you can handle it.


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Edit - More specifically, can I immediately return IOI's, or do I still need to show some disinterest/negs? I can see that being counter-productive.
do not return an IOI with a Neg - that is punishing her for something she did that you want her to do more of

what you should do is go over and talk to her immediately

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Especially with a women who's eye fucking you before the approach means she's interested so that's direct game you just walk up to her an say "how hows it going?"with strong eye contact. After that you have small talk about what's going on tonight,etc. After some small talk you just flirt and escalate like any other time.


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if you're in a good state/vibe and feeling great, as you lock eye's, I find it much better.... if you wave them and get them to come to YOU, so that it is a her chasing you frame. It goes way much better, wave her over and then don't look at her. Like you expect her to come to you.

Tried and tested. Doesn't always work, especially when it's one of the 1st approaches of the night when you're not in the groove but it works great when it does.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:28 am 
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First thing that I would do is smile back or do something. See if she reciprocates, if she does,.. you can escalate things faster. If she doesnt, your IOIs might not have been so strong. If she gives you some cold signals, dont rely too much on the IOIs you received.

Assuming that she reciprocated or gave you some positive signal, you could do something like Black Phantom said.. approach with a cocky funny opener.. make a conversation.. you could talk about her and even ask interview style questions..cause she is interested. Try to kino early too. Touch releases exytocin.
It is a hormone that responsible for bonding. It is released in females body after orgasm.. and dopamine follows its release. Women's skin is much more sensitive to touch than males skin. So do kino. The hormone stays in the females body 4 times longer than it is in males body. Womens memories also work visually and emotionally..so even when she is at home waiting for your call..she is going to have memory of you, some of which was based on your kino.

The physiology behind touching a female is backed up by studies that were done.
I read all that in a book called "Females Mind" by Leon Braizendieen (not sure about hte spelling).

Here is a book, I found it. I think it is a different edition though.
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http://www.amazon.com/The-Female-Brain-Louann-Brizendine/dp/0767920104


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:31 pm 
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First thing that I would do is smile back or do something. See if she reciprocates, if she does,.. you can escalate things faster. If she doesnt, your IOIs might not have been so strong. If she gives you some cold signals, dont rely too much on the IOIs you received.

Assuming that she reciprocated or gave you some positive signal, you could do something like Black Phantom said.. approach with a cocky funny opener.. make a conversation.. you could talk about her and even ask interview style questions..cause she is interested. Try to kino early too. Touch releases exytocin.
It is a hormone that responsible for bonding. It is released in females body after orgasm.. and dopamine follows its release. Women's skin is much more sensitive to touch than males skin. So do kino. The hormone stays in the females body 4 times longer than it is in males body. Womens memories also work visually and emotionally..so even when she is at home waiting for your call..she is going to have memory of you, some of which was based on your kino.

The physiology behind touching a female is backed up by studies that were done.
I read all that in a book called "Females Mind" by Leon Braizendieen (not sure about hte spelling).

Here is a book, I found it. I think it is a different edition though.
Code:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Female-Brain-Louann-Brizendine/dp/0767920104

It's good advice, but to play Devil's advocate, how many times as this worked for you?

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First thing that I would do is smile back or do something. See if she reciprocates, if she does,.. you can escalate things faster. If she doesnt, your IOIs might not have been so strong. If she gives you some cold signals, dont rely too much on the IOIs you received.

Assuming that she reciprocated or gave you some positive signal, you could do something like Black Phantom said.. approach with a cocky funny opener.. make a conversation.. you could talk about her and even ask interview style questions..cause she is interested. Try to kino early too. Touch releases exytocin.
It is a hormone that responsible for bonding. It is released in females body after orgasm.. and dopamine follows its release. Women's skin is much more sensitive to touch than males skin. So do kino. The hormone stays in the females body 4 times longer than it is in males body. Womens memories also work visually and emotionally..so even when she is at home waiting for your call..she is going to have memory of you, some of which was based on your kino.

The physiology behind touching a female is backed up by studies that were done.
I read all that in a book called "Females Mind" by Leon Braizendieen (not sure about hte spelling).

Here is a book, I found it. I think it is a different edition though.
Code:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Female-Brain-Louann-Brizendine/dp/0767920104

It's good advice, but to play Devil's advocate, how many times as this worked for you?
No girl showed me a lot of interest before approaching her. So it is theoretical mostly.

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if you're in a good state/vibe and feeling great, as you lock eye's, I find it much better.... if you wave them and get them to come to YOU, so that it is a her chasing you frame. It goes way much better, wave her over and then don't look at her. Like you expect her to come to you.

Tried and tested. Doesn't always work, especially when it's one of the 1st approaches of the night when you're not in the groove but it works great when it does.
Your approach is good in a way if they really like you to make them invest.
But you risk to rejected initially by girls who arent confident to approach you based on your request.
It is very hard to recover from initial rejection.

Personally, I approach without considering what she shows me. A hair flick, a wrist display, pout, submissive facial look or seductive hip display or leg cross. All can be good signals..but they are just signals. I based my approach on those signals..and some women still rejected me..
So I dont basing your approach on some IOI unless the girl is dramatically sexual from far away. For exapmle, if she self massages herself (that behavior is unique only to women) and looks at me ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:56 pm 
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Why would you hesitate?

Everything is a persuasion. She persuaded you with the IOI into persuading her.

You are not home free with just an IOI you still need to do more.

Here is an excerpt from a book I'm reading:
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To see just how pervasive argument is, I recently attempted a whole day
without persuasion—free of advertising, politics, family squabbles, or any
psychological manipulation whatsoever. No one would persuade me, and I
would avoid persuading them. Heck, I wouldn’t even let myself persuade
myself. Nobody, not even I, would tell me what to do.
If anyone could consider himself qualified for the experiment, a confirmed
hermit like me could. I work for myself; indeed, having dropped out
of a career in journalism and publishing, I work by myself, in a cabin a considerable
distance from my house. I live in a tiny village in northern New
England, a region that boasts the most persuasion-resistant humans on the
planet. Advertisers have nightmares about people like me: no TV, no cell
phone, no BlackBerry, dial-up Internet. I’m commercial-free, a walking
NPR, my own individual, persuasion-immune man.
As if.
My wristwatch alarm goes off at six. I normally use it to coax myself out
of bed, but now I ignore it. I stare up at the ceiling, where the smoke detector
blinks reassuringly. If the smoke alarm detected smoke, it would alarm,
rousing the heaviest sleeper. The philosopher Aristotle would approve of
the smoke detector’s rhetoric; he understood the power of emotion as a
motivator.
For the time being, the detector has nothing to say. But my cat does. She
jumps on the bed and sticks her nose in my armpit. As reliable as my watch
and twice as annoying, the cat persuades remarkably well for ten dumb
pounds of fur. Instead of words she uses gesture and tone of voice—potent
ingredients of argument.
I resist stoically. No cat is going to boss me around this morning.
The watch beeps again. I wear a Timex Ironman, whose name comes
from a self-abusive athletic event; presumably, if the watch works for a
masochist who subjects it to two miles of swimming, a
hundred miles of biking, and 26.2 miles of running all in TRY THIS IN A
PROPOSAL
one day, it would work for someone like me who spends If your idea has
been used else- his lunch hour walking strenuously down to the brook to where, describe its
see if there are any fish. The ancient Romans would call success in vivid
the Ironman’s brand appeal argumentum a fortiori, “argu- detail as though
the audience itself
ment from strength.” Its logic goes like this: If something had accomplished
works the hard way, it’s more likely to work the easy way. it. Show how
much more skill
Advertisers favor the argument from strength. Years ago, and resources
Life cereal ran an ad with little Mikey the fussy eater. His your plan dedicates
to the idea.
two older brothers tested the cereal on him, figuring Then feel free to
that if Mikey liked it, anybody would. And he liked it! An use your favorite
cliché, e.g., “It’s a
argumentum a fortiori cereal ad. My Ironman watch’s own slam dunk.”
argument from strength does not affect me, however. I
bought it because it was practical. Remember, I’m advertising-immune.
But its beeping is driving me crazy. Here I’m not even up yet and I
already contemplate emotional appeals from a cat and a smoke detector
along with a wristwatch argument from strength. Wrenching myself out of
bed, I say to the mirror what I tell it every morning: “Don’t take any crap
from anyone.”
The cat bites me on the heel. I grab my towel and go fix its breakfast.

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First thing that I would do is smile back or do something. See if she reciprocates, if she does,.. you can escalate things faster. If she doesnt, your IOIs might not have been so strong. If she gives you some cold signals, dont rely too much on the IOIs you received.

Assuming that she reciprocated or gave you some positive signal, you could do something like Black Phantom said.. approach with a cocky funny opener.. make a conversation.. you could talk about her and even ask interview style questions..cause she is interested. Try to kino early too. Touch releases exytocin.
It is a hormone that responsible for bonding. It is released in females body after orgasm.. and dopamine follows its release. Women's skin is much more sensitive to touch than males skin. So do kino. The hormone stays in the females body 4 times longer than it is in males body. Womens memories also work visually and emotionally..so even when she is at home waiting for your call..she is going to have memory of you, some of which was based on your kino.

The physiology behind touching a female is backed up by studies that were done.
I read all that in a book called "Females Mind" by Leon Braizendieen (not sure about hte spelling).

Here is a book, I found it. I think it is a different edition though.
Code:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Female-Brain-Louann-Brizendine/dp/0767920104

It's good advice, but to play Devil's advocate, how many times as this worked for you?
No girl showed me a lot of interest before approaching her. So it is theoretical mostly.

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if you're in a good state/vibe and feeling great, as you lock eye's, I find it much better.... if you wave them and get them to come to YOU, so that it is a her chasing you frame. It goes way much better, wave her over and then don't look at her. Like you expect her to come to you.

Tried and tested. Doesn't always work, especially when it's one of the 1st approaches of the night when you're not in the groove but it works great when it does.
Your approach is good in a way if they really like you to make them invest.
But you risk to rejected initially by girls who arent confident to approach you based on your request.
It is very hard to recover from initial rejection.

Personally, I approach without considering what she shows me. A hair flick, a wrist display, pout, submissive facial look or seductive hip display or leg cross. All can be good signals..but they are just signals. I based my approach on those signals..and some women still rejected me..
So I dont basing your approach on some IOI unless the girl is dramatically sexual from far away. For exapmle, if she self massages herself (that behavior is unique only to women) and looks at me ;)

I don't see how cold approach is more efficient than a warm approach. I can go into a bar, make eye contact and force an IOI. If she reacts well, approach her, the ice is already broken which is a opportunity to escalate fast.

If she reacts negatively, i will move my eye contact to the next girl. It takes seconds literally to do this to a a few girls and then pounce on the good leads. Cold approach, you get blown out, everybody sees it and you lose your value as the guy that is picking up girls.

Cold approach, it's nice to go indirect and then sense the IOI's as you're gaming her. But from my experience, I have wasted a lot of time with girls with boyfriends that like the attention but will NOT sleep with you ever. Surely you have experienced talking to a girl ALLA night and then the number flakes when you can't take her home?

Taking a girl home most nights is kinda normal for me. This isn't theoretical, just sayin.

I still cold approach when i can't get the ioi, but sometimes i just tap her on the shoulder and then force the IOI method.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:14 am 
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Lolz, off the subject. Here in Israel is hard to get casual sex, especially with consistency.
The girls here are tough to pull. I am originally from Russia.. In russia the phenomena of getting same night lays is frequent. With the place I am in, I dont think it exists ;(.


On the subject, smiling to someone and getting an IOI is so tough for me. If I was good looking it might work.
Your IOI might be fake a lot of time..women do smile back when someone smiles at them, a smile back doesnt necessarily mean they are interested and it is definitely not a green light to be intimate or sexual..

I would approach almost anybody, and not base my judgement on the signals that I receive from distance. I do day game..so if I smile at someone from a distance..she will make a face.. "who is that guy? do I know him? does he know me?".. So as I said.. I havent thought of the method of smiling at someone and getting an IOI, then approaching.. but I already can see that it leads to mixed results. What if a girl is a may be girl, and she doesnt smile back..


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:44 am 
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On the subject, smiling to someone and getting an IOI is so tough for me. If I was good looking it might work.
Your IOI might be fake a lot of time..women do smile back when someone smiles at them, a smile back doesnt necessarily mean they are interested and it is definitely not a green light to be intimate or sexual..
You are just speculating in the above quote. Forcing IOI's and receiving IOI's are complete different things. The good looking guys will receive. People like me and you have to force a reaction. It's smoother than cold approach so I'm pretty sure if people get laid in Israel. Then this will work there too

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