Hey guys, I'm having a bit of trouble thinking of a clever opener for this one. I have this one target that I occasionally see in the hallways at my HS. She is almost never by herself. What would be a good opener to use in this situation. The only times I really see her is when I'm walking to one of my classes and none of my friends go that way so I won't have a wing or pivot. When she is with her crew they are usually talking.

Thanks guys, and if you need anymore info feel free to ask.

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Hey dude,
The opinion opener is probably your best approach for this situation.

Go up to the group and say to the whole group, not just her. In fact if you can make it look like you're not even asking her but everyone else and she just happens to be there overhearing so much the better.

Say "hey guys (NEVER 'Hey girls' as it telegraphs too much interest. Saying 'hey guys' says on a subconscious level 'I see you, but I don't see you as girls, therefore my hormones arn't coming into play in this interaction), just wanna get a quick female opinion on something. I can't stay long as I gotta be somewhere soon/I'm meeting my friends in a minute (false time constraint). My cousin's birthday is coming up in about a week and I'm having trouble picking out a gift, what do you think I should get her?"

When they ask how old she is, pick an age thats in the double digits and lower than the age of your target but not by more than 4 years. So if the target is 17 and she asks how old your cousin is any number between 14 and 18 is good here. They'll probably ask what she's into and here you can pick a topic or event anddrop in stories to demonstrate DHV. Like if shes into indoor rock climbing you can say you both go together and this indicates you keep in shape. Whatever your story, make sure you are congruent with it. Women have a lie detector hardwired into their brains. Yo can embelish a story so long as you've practiced it in the mirror for a few days first, but an outright lie they'll spot before you've even finished talking.


Alternatitivly you could ask "hey guys, just wanna get a quick female opinion on something. I can't stay long as I gotta be somewhere soon but who do you think is a better musician" and pick two artists at random and insert their names here.

Girls, no matter what their age, love to gossip. And comparing musical tastes is great for this (This way you also get to find out what type of music she likes). When they've finished gossiping about who's hotter in the music scene then say "OK the reason I ask this is my cousin's birthday is coming up in about a week and I'm having trouble picking out a gift, and I was thinking a CD. What do you think I should get her?"

For either of these openers if they say anything that to you seems way off the mark, call then on it. Debate it with them. This shows you have a strong personality. Other guys with her have probably heard her say "oh I love that band" and then said "me too" even though they probably hated it. This shows they have a weak personality and the girl just bent them to her will. You are different. If what you say gets her offended or angry - remain unfazed. Remember there is a fine line between love and hate and anger turned sideways is passion.

I know this must seam basic stuff but your post indicated to me your still in high school and I know when I was back in high school I would have killed for as much info as I could have gotten.

Good luck, man.

I suggest if you're by yourself, then start out with a general opener to stop the whole group and get their attention.
One I've used is was 4 out of the 5 girls were wearing a skirt, the target was the skirtless one. I boldly walked into the middle of the group and said "Thank god it's skirt day" got chuckles from all the girls then to the target "what's your problem, you too good for a skirt?"

The main message I'm trying to get too is you make a quick observation and then comment on it. Make some quick chit chat, get the names and what not then finish it off by saying "For lunch I'm heading down to (insert place here), see you all there" What you want to do is make it somewhere that is kind of out of the way, so when they do show up, it is a deliberate sign that they are there for you (feel free to call BS on them just coming by). I am a strong believer that a girls friends are the most powerful motivation tool possible, so make yourself appealing to the group and the target will be happy that you are singling her out.

Another quick opener i just thought of is making a comment about their clothes, and then say "tomorrow, I'm declaring it the official Lululemon pants day" to which you follow up on. (I'm from Canada and those are tight sweat pants that are capable of making almost any chicks ass look good, I'm pretty sure they have expanded into the US)

Hope this was of help for you,
Jester