so amongst my group of friends i am usually the wing, which i find a lot of fun i can usually start a conversation pretty well i have a good opener and can keep a conversation going. i do have two stubbling blocks when being a wing

1. i cannot talk or get the interest of bitchy girls, if i try to to talk to the bitchier girl i either get shotdown straight away and just keep trying to win their attention which of course doesn't work. so how can i talk to these girls better?

2. i can only reallyto girls in groups of twos i.e. group of two i talk to one while leaving the other be i find if i struggle to talk to say 2 or 3 girls at a time usually one will leave the conversation and give her mate some company. so what can i do?

Simple. Whether interested or not, make one of them your target and open as you would normally. Opinion opener for example. Get them talking, pick up on things and move the conversation along. Then you're in control of the conversation and leading it, but they're doing a lot of the talking. Possibly arguing with each other which will take all of their attention away from their friend. Neg your target, kino her friends and get the mother hen on board. Maybe even make the mother hen your target if you're feeling confident.

In this specific situation though, I find it easier to hide the relationship you have with your wing as some girls are very quick to pick up on what you're doing.

thanks a lot of helpful stuff i rarely open with opinion openers for some reason i feel women will look at me like im weird i need to try and show more confidence but will try next time out.

and with the neg any good negs i could use?

i worry sometimes with the use of the negs this might actually draw her into the conversation and her mates will banter her but this is me over thinking